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https://youtu.be/sKAQxzC4PzM

Grab your long johns 'cause it's supposed to get way down to 17°C tonight and 16°C the following night. Brrrrr! Gonna have to light a FIRE! Or someone else's.

Contrary to what we were told this morning, the GuitarFest is once again unintentionally creating animosity and an air of elitism by blocking the entrance to the pier and making mostly Mexican tourists and locals walk the smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto while mostly wealthy-looking foreigners have their party at the pier's entrance. This is how animosity is created. I understand it is the decision of the municipal government. But event organizers need to realize the current municipal government makes a lot of very poor decisions, and they should insist to simply do the right thing and allow a path to and from the pier at the entrance for people not attending the event. Unless they don't mind generating animosity, but I don't believe that.

Between the meet-n-greet screwup at the Catalina running its guests off the beach and blocking the pier entrance, that's already 2 strikes against the public image of the GuitarFest, and it has barely gotten under way. Oops.

There've been some waves in Zihuatanejo Bay lately. Not too big. Maybe a meter high at the most, but they sure make for wonderful sleeping sounds.

One of the nicest lodgings at Troncones that seems to have something for everyone is Casa de La Sirena. A luxurious private beachfront compound in Troncones featuring a 3-bedroom villa with a private pool, three 1-bedroom MiniVillas, and two side-by-side 2-story 1-bedroom bungalows that share a pool. Truly an oasis in paradise!
Vacation Rental Lodgings in Troncones

¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#MásSeguridadPúblicaMenosCemento
#NoQueremosBlueFlagEnLasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

Una garceta busca su desayuno cerca del muelle mientras muchas pangas pesqueras arriban a la playa bajo la vigilancia de docenas de pelícanos durante el amanecer en la bahía de Zihuatanejo.

https://youtu.be/sKAQxzC4PzM

Grab your long johns 'cause it's supposed to get way down to 17°C tonight and 16°C the following night. Brrrrr! Gonna have to light a FIRE! Or someone else's.

Contrary to what we were told this morning, the GuitarFest is once again unintentionally creating animosity and an air of elitism by blocking the entrance to the pier and making mostly Mexican tourists and locals walk the smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto while mostly wealthy-looking foreigners have their party at the pier's entrance. This is how animosity is created. I understand it is the decision of the municipal government. But event organizers need to realize the current municipal government makes a lot of very poor decisions, and they should insist to simply do the right thing and allow a path to and from the pier at the entrance for people not attending the event. Unless they don't mind generating animosity, but I don't believe that.

Between the meet-n-greet screwup at the Catalina running its guests off the beach and blocking the pier entrance, that's already 2 strikes against the public image of the GuitarFest, and it has barely gotten under way. Oops.

There've been some waves in Zihuatanejo Bay lately. Not too big. Maybe a meter high at the most, but they sure make for wonderful sleeping sounds.

One of the nicest lodgings at Troncones that seems to have something for everyone is Casa de La Sirena. A luxurious private beachfront compound in Troncones featuring a 3-bedroom villa with a private pool, three 1-bedroom MiniVillas, and two side-by-side 2-story 1-bedroom bungalows that share a pool. Truly an oasis in paradise!
Vacation Rental Lodgings in Troncones

¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#MásSeguridadPúblicaMenosCemento
#NoQueremosBlueFlagEnLasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

Una garceta busca su desayuno cerca del muelle mientras muchas pangas pesqueras arriban a la playa bajo la vigilancia de docenas de pelícanos durante el amanecer en la bahía de Zihuatanejo.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are portraying. I am a volunteer at the Guitar Fest and and watched as mostly Mexican tourists were escorted off the pier and not through the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto", but through the main exit/entrance.
I did not then see any 'mostly Mexican tourists' try to enter the pier passing by the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto".
I wasn't precisely monitoring exits and entrances so perhaps I did not see everything nor clearly.
Are you suggesting that "mostly wealthy-looking foreigners" are seen as wealthy because they are white?
Again I am not privy to bank accounts but I didn't particularly see a significant amount of 'wealthy-looking foreigners'.
Further, again I did not tally, but of course there were Mexican looking tourists to be seen.
And further if you did not want to pony up 200 pesos for a 4 hour concert offering the guitar and vocal wizardry of I think 17 acts, you could stand/sit on the side by the rocks and listen.
The Catalina 'Affair' I have to agree is much ado about nothing. And while I admire Dr. Tim for his valuable contributions to this board, I think he has let something get the better of him. I suspect he is already looking for an excuse to escape the Catalina and this was some precious fodder.
By the way I'll likely be at the Meet and Greet. I'll try to report back...

Between the meet-n-greet screwup at the Catalina running its guests off the beach and blocking the pier entrance, that's already 2 strikes against the public image of the GuitarFest

Let's think about "the Catalina running its guests off the beach" for a moment. How many guests are complaining they're being run off the beach? As far as I can tell, one guest posted that he's being forced, FORCED! to spend 3 hours (11-2) away from the Catalina lounge chairs over the course of a 17 day vacation. I mean, they are AWESOME lounge chairs and everything, but geez.

The idea that a foreigner cannot bear to be even slightly inconvenienced by virtue of the money he's spending seems pretty "elitist" to me.

Donchta' just love the way we treat each other so kindly on this forum? I know I do!

<Insert head-banging-against-wall emoji here>

Between the meet-n-greet screwup at the Catalina running its guests off the beach and blocking the pier entrance, that's already 2 strikes against the public image of the GuitarFest

Let's think about "the Catalina running its guests off the beach" for a moment. How many guests are complaining they're being run off the beach? As far as I can tell, one guest posted that he's being forced, FORCED! to spend 3 hours (11-2) away from the Catalina lounge chairs over the course of a 17 day vacation. I mean, they are AWESOME lounge chairs and everything, but geez.

The idea that a foreigner cannot bear to be even slightly inconvenienced by virtue of the money he's spending seems pretty "elitist" to me.

Now now. Just because you don't know of anyone else inconvenienced by not having access to their hotel's beach doesn't mean no one else feels the same way. As someone who's lived most of my life in tourist resorts, I know a complaint worth paying attention to when I see it. So please don't put this on Tim.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are portraying. I am a volunteer at the Guitar Fest and and watched as mostly Mexican tourists were escorted off the pier and not through the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto", but through the main exit/entrance.

Really? After you saw the tourists escorted off the pier, no other tourists arrived by boat or attempted to enter the pier?

I did not then see any 'mostly Mexican tourists' try to enter the pier passing by the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto".

I'll guess there's much more that you didn't see. It doesn't mean something didn't happen simply because you didn't see it.

I wasn't precisely monitoring exits and entrances so perhaps I did not see everything nor clearly.
Are you suggesting that "mostly wealthy-looking foreigners" are seen as wealthy because they are white?
Again I am not privy to bank accounts but I didn't particularly see a significant amount of 'wealthy-looking foreigners'.

If you look like a foreigner and you're on vacation or retired here, then you fit the bill. It's all about perception. Maybe you still don't realize where Zihuatanejo is or who its true inhabitants are. It isn't a suburb of Los Angeles.

Further, again I did not tally, but of course there were Mexican looking tourists to be seen.
And further if you did not want to pony up 200 pesos for a 4 hour concert offering the guitar and vocal wizardry of I think 17 acts, you could stand/sit on the side by the rocks and listen.

The problem wasn't listening to the concert, it was accessing the pier.

The Catalina 'Affair' I have to agree is much ado about nothing. And while I admire Dr. Tim for his valuable contributions to this board, I think he has let something get the better of him. I suspect he is already looking for an excuse to escape the Catalina and this was some precious fodder.

As Tim has already added, it wasn't much ado about nothing if at least 5 other couples at the hotel also complained.

By the way I'll likely be at the Meet and Greet. I'll try to report back...

I have a hard time believing you're as clueless as you portray yourself here. The defensive posture of a condo commando?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are portraying. I am a volunteer at the Guitar Fest and and watched as mostly Mexican tourists were escorted off the pier and not through the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto", but through the main exit/entrance.

Really? After you saw the tourists escorted off the pier, no other tourists arrived by boat or attempted to enter the pier?

I did not then see any 'mostly Mexican tourists' try to enter the pier passing by the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto".

I'll guess there's much more that you didn't see. It doesn't mean something didn't happen simply because you didn't see it.

I wasn't precisely monitoring exits and entrances so perhaps I did not see everything nor clearly.
Are you suggesting that "mostly wealthy-looking foreigners" are seen as wealthy because they are white?
Again I am not privy to bank accounts but I didn't particularly see a significant amount of 'wealthy-looking foreigners'.

If you look like a foreigner and you're on vacation or retired here, then you fit the bill. It's all about perception. Maybe you still don't realize where Zihuatanejo is or who its true inhabitants are. It isn't a suburb of Los Angeles.

Further, again I did not tally, but of course there were Mexican looking tourists to be seen.
And further if you did not want to pony up 200 pesos for a 4 hour concert offering the guitar and vocal wizardry of I think 17 acts, you could stand/sit on the side by the rocks and listen.

The problem wasn't listening to the concert, it was accessing the pier.

The Catalina 'Affair' I have to agree is much ado about nothing. And while I admire Dr. Tim for his valuable contributions to this board, I think he has let something get the better of him. I suspect he is already looking for an excuse to escape the Catalina and this was some precious fodder.

As Tim has already added, it wasn't much ado about nothing if at least 5 other couples at the hotel also complained.

By the way I'll likely be at the Meet and Greet. I'll try to report back...

I have a hard time believing you're as clueless as you portray yourself here. The defensive posture of a condo commando?

Of course I was awaiting your reply.
You continue to be the most arrogant, 'entitled' ass.
Carry on

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are portraying. I am a volunteer at the Guitar Fest and and watched as mostly Mexican tourists were escorted off the pier and not through the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto", but through the main exit/entrance.

Really? After you saw the tourists escorted off the pier, no other tourists arrived by boat or attempted to enter the pier?

I did not then see any 'mostly Mexican tourists' try to enter the pier passing by the "smelly dirty dark broken and frankly dangerous walkway behind the building of the Capitanía del Puerto".

I'll guess there's much more that you didn't see. It doesn't mean something didn't happen simply because you didn't see it.

I wasn't precisely monitoring exits and entrances so perhaps I did not see everything nor clearly.
Are you suggesting that "mostly wealthy-looking foreigners" are seen as wealthy because they are white?
Again I am not privy to bank accounts but I didn't particularly see a significant amount of 'wealthy-looking foreigners'.

If you look like a foreigner and you're on vacation or retired here, then you fit the bill. It's all about perception. Maybe you still don't realize where Zihuatanejo is or who its true inhabitants are. It isn't a suburb of Los Angeles.

Further, again I did not tally, but of course there were Mexican looking tourists to be seen.
And further if you did not want to pony up 200 pesos for a 4 hour concert offering the guitar and vocal wizardry of I think 17 acts, you could stand/sit on the side by the rocks and listen.

The problem wasn't listening to the concert, it was accessing the pier.

The Catalina 'Affair' I have to agree is much ado about nothing. And while I admire Dr. Tim for his valuable contributions to this board, I think he has let something get the better of him. I suspect he is already looking for an excuse to escape the Catalina and this was some precious fodder.

As Tim has already added, it wasn't much ado about nothing if at least 5 other couples at the hotel also complained.

By the way I'll likely be at the Meet and Greet. I'll try to report back...

I have a hard time believing you're as clueless as you portray yourself here. The defensive posture of a condo commando?

Of course I was awaiting your reply.
You continue to be the most arrogant, 'entitled' ass.
Carry on

Yes, my mistake is to honestly tell you how locals feel and expect you to be empathetic enough to comprehend, but your response says it all. Instead you come in my house and insult me. You demonstrate pretty clearly the precise point I was making.

Have a nice day!

As reported to me by a neighbor/friend, during the pier event for Sailfest, the public restrooms were available for use with no charge.

Last night he was required to pay for their use. When he asked he was told that the Presidente did not approve of parts of GuitarFest.

OK, so where does the money go? They raise a lot of it, like Sailfest, but Sailfest puts basically all of the money raised back into the community. Where does the Guitar Fest money go? It is all volunteers, and donated lodging for the artists, right?

As reported to me by a neighbor/friend, during the pier event for Sailfest, the public restrooms were available for use with no charge.

Last night he was required to pay for their use. When he asked he was told that the Presidente did not approve of parts of GuitarFest.

OK, so where does the money go? They raise a lot of it, like Sailfest, but Sailfest puts basically all of the money raised back into the community. Where does the Guitar Fest money go? It is all volunteers, and donated lodging for the artists, right?

Yeah it was 7 pesos and it was far enough away that if you held it in for long you might wish you hadn’t.
Always pisses me off!
As far as where the money goes I have heard for ‘music programs’.
But someone can answer that much better than I.
Perhaps Heidi Nygard, the Director.
By the way is the Presidente the Mayor?
Or someone else?

The Presidente is what we from the US would call the mayor.

As reported to me by a neighbor/friend, during the pier event for Sailfest, the public restrooms were available for use with no charge.

Last night he was required to pay for their use. When he asked he was told that the Presidente did not approve of parts of GuitarFest.

OK, so where does the money go? They raise a lot of it, like Sailfest, but Sailfest puts basically all of the money raised back into the community. Where does the Guitar Fest money go? It is all volunteers, and donated lodging for the artists, right?

Just had a brief chat with Heidi Nygard the Directir of Guitar Fest.
Unlike Sailfest which apparently has several generous donors, Guitar Fest is a self-sustaining entity that pays for transportation and accommodations for the performers as well as all the other expenses of putting on a festival.
If there is money left over it goes to support musical programs of various kinds in Zihua, including providing instruments for instruction.

FWIW I was there today and there were lots of guests on the beach lounge chairs who were not ticket holders, and there was room for more. They even got a free concert. I suspect this was a misunderstanding or a poorly written communication about the small part of the beach bar that was being used for the event. And maybe a poor response by the hotel when the guest asked about it. Hardly a reflection on guitarfest as an event or organization.

FWIW there was a letter in our rooms on Thursday and a smaller letter handed to us on the beach. Berenice relented late last night. Until she did we were to leave the beach around 10 and could return after 2. There was no misunderstanding.. The music was OK and thankfully not over amplified. This is a criticism of Catalina management, not guitar fest.

Well, THAT dead horse sure had the snot beat out of him, eh?

They certainly did make the public walk around the back of the building. I went to get some tickets, for drinks, and people were coming from around the back of the building and they were bitching about the reroute.