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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, September 03, 2025, 20:26 (432 days ago)
With the slowest season of the year now in full force, locals attend to matters they've not had time for during the rest of the year. Sometimes it's simply relaxing and doing nothing, or taking a vacation, or getting their annual checkup, or visiting local friends and places they haven't seen for a while. But for too many locals it's the end of a dream, and they're closing their businesses for the last time and either moving on or looking for work elsewhere. A damn shame. I know we can do better.
The summer season, like the high season, has been increasingly disappointing year after year since (a) the Zona Hotelera I has been allowed to offer only all-included packages instead of European or American Plans or some other vacation package NOT all-included, (b) the Blue Flag program was imposed essentially running off visitors who travel with their pets and who make up a larger sector of the tourism market each year, enough that our community can't afford to be losing them, and (c) cruise ships have basically stopped coming. The local government talks a lot but has done nothing other than sell cement and put on parties and extravaganzas that don't translate into an increase of visitors with the high purchasing power we need. Too many of our so-called tourism experts seem to totally ignore that Zihuatanejo has historically filled a crucial niche for visitors who choose us precisely because Zihuatanejo isn't like Cancún, Vallarta, Los Cabos or Acapulco. Instead, these "experts" pretend we're in competition for the same people as those other destinations, and they continue turning Zihuatanejo into a Disneylandish caricature of itself. Now we actually promote a monument to corruption as a tourist attraction along with silly road to nowhere. Our main visitors continue being bus passengers with very low purchasing power who would be just as happy at ANY beachfront destination and all-included hotel guests who hardly leave the hotel property who, like the bus visitors, represent a minor benefit at best to the local economy. I know we can do better. But we need a real change of attitude especially in our local government to tackle these local problems and promote Zihuatanejo and the region intelligently to a targeted market instead of trying to mass market ourselves. Ixtapa's hotels squandered the benefits of mass marketing by going exclusively all-included and killing off the prosperity they used to provide especially to Ixtapa's shopping centers but also to Zihuatanejo. The local government continues using #ThisIZit as a marketing slogan even though I've explained to them numerous times that it sounds like they're promoting acne, not a tropical paradise. Either they're playing stupid or they're being stubborn and they just don't care. I suspect the latter, because they live off the public dole, not tourism.
I'm not giving up! As long as tourism remains our only economy, I'll continue to seek the visitors Zihuatanejo needs, not just warm bodies to run up the numbers and provide cifras alegres for politicians and bureaucrats to play make-believe with. And you can help simply by telling your friends and family about us.
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ConvenZIHdo Que Podemos Hacer Mejor
by Talley Ho
, Playa la Ropa, Wednesday, September 03, 2025, 20:42 (432 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
You are so right about the blue flag beaches. We have already been contacted by two people through this board and another through Facebook, asking if, "things have blown over" and dogs can be walked on la Ropa,
Each time we have had to say, OMG NO!!!! Don't even consider stepping on the beach with your dogs.
Two of the three said they were actively looking for a more pet friendly place and cancelling their extended winter here. Sad.
promoting tourism
by rojo, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 07:14 (431 days ago) @ Talley Ho
I certainly hope the state of Guerreau and Zihuatanejo have been actively promoting our area for Canadians to consider Zihua and area for their winter vacation as they have been boycotting the US over the tariffs and the stupid issue of Canada joining the US.
ConvenZIHdo Que Podemos Hacer Mejor
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 12:47 (431 days ago) @ Talley Ho
You are so right about the blue flag beaches. We have already been contacted by two people through this board and another through Facebook, asking if, "things have blown over" and dogs can be walked on la Ropa,
Each time we have had to say, OMG NO!!!! Don't even consider stepping on the beach with your dogs.
Two of the three said they were actively looking for a more pet friendly place and cancelling their extended winter here. Sad.
One of the first e-mails I received when Playa El Palmar was "certified" was a foreign resident telling me she was selling her condo and moving away since she could no longer walk her dog on the beach, one of the pleasures they both enjoyed. Pets more than ever are family, both for retired people as well as for Mexican families. Less people leave their dogs in kennels for their vacations than they used to. And people who travel with their pets tend to have the purchasing power we need our visitors to have. But stubborn politicians don't want to hear facts that negate what they claim in public. I've always believed the entire beach certification thing was more for their own Curriculum Vitae than to benefit the community, and they continue proving me right.
Not Welcome
by taylor, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 14:40 (431 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
I'm not sure that telling half the population of a country with 340 million people that they're not welcome in Zih is a great way to promote tourism.
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 19:21 (431 days ago) @ taylor
I'm not sure that telling half the population of a country with 340 million people that they're not welcome in Zih is a great way to promote tourism.
You must be confused. MAGAts don't come anywhere remotely close to being half the USA. At best close to a third.
Why would Mexicans want to welcome people who are racist against them, gleefully destroying Mexican families, deporting Mexican workers who send home remittances, inciting violence and massacres against Mexicans, deporting them to concentration camps and cruel foreign prisons? We'll never miss them, trust me. Mexicans don't need to prostitute themselves to MAGAts. We're much better than that.
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by surfguy, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 20:11 (431 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
I'm not sure that telling half the population of a country with 340 million people that they're not welcome in Zih is a great way to promote tourism.
You must be confused. MAGAts don't come anywhere remotely close to being half the USA. At best close to a third.Why would Mexicans want to welcome people who are racist against them, gleefully destroying Mexican families, deporting Mexican workers who send home remittances, inciting violence and massacres against Mexicans, deporting them to concentration camps and cruel foreign prisons? We'll never miss them, trust me. Mexicans don't need to prostitute themselves to MAGAts. We're much better than that.
Pretty sure it’s illegal to discriminate against people who have different political views than you in the hospitality industry but I guess you should also discriminate against races, sexual orientations, disabilities and genders you don’t like as well while you’re at it. Continuing to list all the reasons not visit Zihua seems like a winning strategy i’m sure your vacation rental advertisers appreciate.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 21:07 (431 days ago) @ surfguy
I'm not sure that telling half the population of a country with 340 million people that they're not welcome in Zih is a great way to promote tourism.
You must be confused. MAGAts don't come anywhere remotely close to being half the USA. At best close to a third.Why would Mexicans want to welcome people who are racist against them, gleefully destroying Mexican families, deporting Mexican workers who send home remittances, inciting violence and massacres against Mexicans, deporting them to concentration camps and cruel foreign prisons? We'll never miss them, trust me. Mexicans don't need to prostitute themselves to MAGAts. We're much better than that.
Pretty sure it’s illegal to discriminate against people who have different political views than you in the hospitality industry but I guess you should also discriminate against races, sexual orientations, disabilities and genders you don’t like as well while you’re at it. Continuing to list all the reasons not visit Zihua seems like a winning strategy i’m sure your vacation rental advertisers appreciate.
Thanks for the laugh. That was hilarious! 
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Sunlight Dancer
, Thursday, September 04, 2025, 23:41 (431 days ago) @ surfguy
Just curious...how many diehard MAGAs do you know who have any desire to visit México, let alone Zihuatanejo?
The Trump supporters I talk with are convinced they'll be robbed, kidnapped and/or murdered if they set one foot across the border.
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by Padrino
, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Friday, September 05, 2025, 08:34 (430 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer
The Trump supporters I talk with are convinced they'll be robbed, kidnapped and/or murdered if they set one foot across the border.
My dear, sweet, pious, Good Christian, 87-year-old aunt believes that God sent the Orange Mussolini to save the United States from the homosexuals. She also believes that there are pistol duels on every street corner in the failed state of Mexico. I respond by peppering all birthday and Christmas cards with photos taken from Zihuatanejo. I also am always sure to remind her that I will pay for her plane fare, hotel accommodations, and food when she wants to accompany me on my next visit to Zihuanatejo. So far, she has not taken me up on my offer. Pity.
Although some MAGAs are seeing the error in their allegiance to a morally bankrupt, white supremacist, cruel, corrupt, narcissistic, sick, rapist pedofile, many will take their hatred, ignorance, and xenophobia to their graves. Let's Go Blood Clot!
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by larry
, Tucson AZ, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 17:17 (428 days ago) @ Padrino
The Trump supporters I talk with are convinced they'll be robbed, kidnapped and/or murdered if they set one foot across the border.
My dear, sweet, pious, Good Christian, 87-year-old aunt believes that God sent the Orange Mussolini to save the United States from the homosexuals. She also believes that there are pistol duels on every street corner in the failed state of Mexico. I respond by peppering all birthday and Christmas cards with photos taken from Zihuatanejo. I also am always sure to remind her that I will pay for her plane fare, hotel accommodations, and food when she wants to accompany me on my next visit to Zihuanatejo. So far, she has not taken me up on my offer. Pity.Although some MAGAs are seeing the error in their allegiance to a morally bankrupt, white supremacist, cruel, corrupt, narcissistic, sick, rapist pedofile, many will take their hatred, ignorance, and xenophobia to their graves. Let's Go Blood Clot!
I'll take u up on that offer, I could B your grandfather!
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Padrino
, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, September 08, 2025, 18:33 (427 days ago) @ larry
I also am always sure to remind her that I will pay for her plane fare, hotel accommodations, and food when she wants to accompany me on my next visit to Zihuanatejo. So far, she has not taken me up on my offer. Pity.
I'll take u up on that offer, I could B your grandfather!
Ah, that would make you approximately 115 years old, give or take a few years. Of course, you could have been one of Jeffrey and Donny's friends on the Magic Island and your "massage therapist" was all of 14 years of age. Then you might be a young 96.
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by Little Guy
, Friday, September 05, 2025, 10:31 (430 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer
Just curious...how many diehard MAGAs do you know who have any desire to visit México, let alone Zihuatanejo?
During the George W. Bush presidencies I was amazed that almost every American I met in the Zihuatanejo area said they didn’t vote for him. At first I tried to figure out how he got elected and which of these visiting Americans were liars. Eventually I accepted the simple explanation that right-wing Americans don’t go to Zihuatanejo.
I did meet one exception in Troncones. A proudly Republican woman who proclaimed she would never return because, “There are too many Mexicans here.”
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by Yandosan, Friday, September 05, 2025, 11:08 (430 days ago) @ Little Guy
"During the George W. Bush presidencies I was amazed that almost every American I met in the Zihuatanejo area said they didn’t vote for him."
It was dangerous to say you supported Bush or Strangelovian Zombie warrior Cheney when you traveled internationally those years, due to their invasion of Iraq based on a false premise (WMD) and all their lies via Dumbsfeld.
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Ironwood
, Sunday, September 21, 2025, 17:58 (414 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer
Just curious...how many diehard MAGAs do you know who have any desire to visit México, let alone Zihuatanejo?
The Trump supporters I talk with are convinced they'll be robbed, kidnapped and/or murdered if they set one foot across the border.
Up here in the frozen north, I discovered that one of my co-workers had lived for a number of years in Los Angeles. I said "Oh, lucky. You must have visited Mexico many times."
She looked at me like I was an idiot, saying: "No. Why would I do that?"
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Little Guy
, Friday, September 05, 2025, 10:49 (430 days ago) @ surfguy
Pretty sure it’s illegal to discriminate against people who have different political views than you in the hospitality industry but I guess you should also discriminate against races, sexual orientations, disabilities and genders you don’t like as well while you’re at it.
That has been the case in both Mexico and the US. It appears that not only is such discrimination increasingly acceptable as some Americans model their president… it seems that it is becoming increasingly legal as people discriminate based on sexual orientation hiding behind the faux argument of religion. For an academic explanation why this is a phoney argument, read or listen to the work of Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman who has a PhD from Princeton Theological Seminary that trains clergy.
Continuing to list all the reasons not visit Zihua seems like a winning strategy i’m sure your vacation rental advertisers appreciate.
As one of those advertisers, I’m not unhappy to read Rob state truths. I would not want guests arriving based on “alternative facts”. Believing in lies leads to disastrous outcomes as we have seen.
I will accept as guests anyone who behaves responsibly as a guest. I don’t ask for voter registration information.
I am happy to embrace as guests those of a range of political perspectives, provided they accept and respect diversity, equity, and inclusivity as well as respecting local residents and doing their part to offset global warming.
Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Keytime
, Friday, September 05, 2025, 16:20 (430 days ago) @ Little Guy
Stop telling your friends how nice it is here and maybe Zihua can regress back to the way it was?
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by ROB
, Friday, September 05, 2025, 20:11 (430 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
If there are so few MAGAs then how did he get elected?
Did he cheat?
Math Review
by Little Guy
, Friday, September 05, 2025, 20:54 (430 days ago) @ ROB
If there are so few MAGAs then how did he get elected?
Did he cheat?
Let’s look at the math.
The voting age population turnout was 59%.
Trump votes comprised 49.81% of total votes.
59% * 49.81% = 29.4% of the voting aged population voted Republican.
Not all who voted Republican can be considered MAGA.
As in any election, some people vote for who they consider to be the lesser evil.
Some people plug their nose and vote for a candidate they dislike.
Some people don’t even think about their vote. “This is the way my pappy voted and my granpappy voted and im not going to turn on them.”
So yes, it seems that Trump was elected with few MAGAs.
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by Padrino
, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Friday, September 05, 2025, 23:28 (430 days ago) @ ROB
If there are so few MAGAs then how did he get elected?
Did he cheat?
The Orange Mussolini always cheats whenever he can. However, the 2024 election, like the 2020 election was decided more than anything else by the Covid virus. The old saying is, "People vote their pocketbooks." Or as James Carville famously said, "It's the economy, stupid."
The economy was humming along in 2019 and it appeared that Trump would win in 2020 in a cake walk. Along came the Covid virus and the economy was placed in a deep freeze. His handling of the crisis certainly didn't help his cause, either.
Just as the economists predicted, as we brought the economy out of its induced coma, there was serious inflation. This was the death knell for Biden and the Democrats. It didn't help that Biden should have stuck to his promise of being a one-term President and then was forced to abdicate and bring in -- gasp! -- a Black Woman of Asian descent.
We love to believe that we are in charge of the Earth. Viruses have been around for 2 billion years. They will be around for another billion years or so until the Earth is too hot to sustain life as our Sun expands past the orbit of Venus.
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by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 11:38 (429 days ago) @ ROB
If there are so few MAGAs then how did he get elected?
Did he cheat?
If the election results are accurate and honest, and the more they are investigated the less likely that appears, then slightly less than 24% of the electorate voted for the Pedophile-in-Chief. But as investigations and lawsuits continue, it's looking more and more like Elon did some hanky-panky on the data while it was traversing his satellites and servers. A shame that Congress has already "validated" the results before they were actually truly validated. Obviously they were in a hurry in case something like this came up.
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by surfguy, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 21:37 (429 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
If there are so few MAGAs then how did he get elected?
Did he cheat?
If the election results are accurate and honest, and the more they are investigated the less likely that appears, then slightly less than 24% of the electorate voted for the Pedophile-in-Chief. But as investigations and lawsuits continue, it's looking more and more like Elon did some hanky-panky on the data while it was traversing his satellites and servers. A shame that Congress has already "validated" the results before they were actually truly validated. Obviously they were in a hurry in case something like this came up.
I was under the impression if you questioned the integrity of election results at least in 2020 you go to prison. Are you allowed to question the results in 2024? Seems like quite a difference in dictatorship
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by saildawg
, Mississippi Gulf Coast, Golfo de Mexico - Norte, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 07:16 (428 days ago) @ surfguy
Do you actually believe the crap you write or are you just a troll? Who is in prison for questioning election results? Every MAGAt that Trump sends up to Capital Hill to go through confirmation hearings refuses to accept the 2020 results (in deference to the Orange pestilence). I have my doubts about the 2024 results due to many Democrats winning senate seats in swing states that supposedly Drumpf won. "Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark", of course it could just be that the Orange moron needs a diaper change.
America’s 1984
by Little Guy
, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 11:02 (428 days ago) @ surfguy
I was under the impression if you questioned the integrity of election results at least in 2020 you go to prison.
It is clear then that you are getting your information from bad sources. No one was imprisoned for questioning election results. Seeking truth is important in a democracy. And every challenge to the 2020 election results served only to increase the certainty of the results.
Are you allowed to question the results in 2024?
Again, it is clear that seeking truth remains important in a democracy. It appears however that America is losing the value of the importance of truth in favour of “alternative facts” and historical revisionism.
George Orwell wrote in 1984,
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
The current administration appears intent on using the present to change the past and control the future. Consider the “rehabilitation” of the January 6 rioters to the point of honoring them.
Ashli Babbitt was one of those who attacked the US Capital on January 6, 2021 seeking to block the confirmation of the 2020 presidential election results by Republican Vice-president Mike Pence.
Trump makes video honoring fatally shot Capitol rioter Ashli Babbitt
And now,
These are the funeral honors the Air Force says it will extend to Ashli Babbitt
Back to Orwell’s 1984,
In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.
Seems like quite a change in dictatorship.
No, it seems that America is experiencing a change to dictatorship.
America’s 1984
by Yandosan, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 11:50 (428 days ago) @ Little Guy
edited by Yandosan, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 12:03
"No, it seems that America is experiencing a change to dictatorship."
A Canadian student told me that was his perception of the USA. "They get to be Dictator for four years," in contrast to the Parliamentary method.
I feel like I've seen this movie before. Don't we all remember Bush and Cheney and all that killing and torture and all the courts supporting their clearly unconstitutional actions. And all that mumbo jumbo that spewed out of lunatic Rumsfeld's mouth?
Afterward people said Bush destroyed the Republican party. But like a Phoenix they rose from the ashes. So I think Trump is copying this playbook. A Democrat will most likely follow Trump, with all his Master of the Universe rhetoric, and politicization of expertise, and another Republican won't be elected until people start to forget all the horrible shit he has thrown at the American public, and the world, ruling by Executive order in order to circumvent the Constitution. The pendulum swings both ways.
America’s 1984
by surfguy, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 22:08 (428 days ago) @ Yandosan
"No, it seems that America is experiencing a change to dictatorship."
A Canadian student told me that was his perception of the USA. "They get to be Dictator for four years," in contrast to the Parliamentary method.
I feel like I've seen this movie before. Don't we all remember Bush and Cheney and all that killing and torture and all the courts supporting their clearly unconstitutional actions. And all that mumbo jumbo that spewed out of lunatic Rumsfeld's mouth?
Afterward people said Bush destroyed the Republican party. But like a Phoenix they rose from the ashes. So I think Trump is copying this playbook. A Democrat will most likely follow Trump, with all his Master of the Universe rhetoric, and politicization of expertise, and another Republican won't be elected until people start to forget all the horrible shit he has thrown at the American public, and the world, ruling by Executive order in order to circumvent the Constitution. The pendulum swings both ways.
Trudeau froze the bank accounts of truck drivers who didn’t take the Covid vaccine…
America’s 1984
by midalake
, Monday, September 08, 2025, 08:26 (427 days ago) @ surfguy
Trudeau froze the bank accounts of truck drivers who didn’t take the Covid vaccine…
In OTHER NEWS>>>
Unemployment>>>>UP
Job Creation>>>>>>DOWN
Cost of Groceries>>>>UP
Tariff war>>>>>>Insane
MAGA Betrayal>>>>>Priceless.
America’s 1984
by Little Guy
, Monday, September 08, 2025, 11:16 (427 days ago) @ surfguy
Trudeau froze the bank accounts of truck drivers who didn’t take the Covid vaccine…
If the best propaganda contains a bit of truth, this would be good propaganda because the amount of truth is minuscule.
A Canadian prime minister does not have the executive authority of an American president. A Canadian prime minister does not have the authority to do what you say Trudeau did. That authority rests with the Governor in Council. People claiming otherwise have as much sense as those Canadians who claimed they had rights under the “First Amendment”.
“… the Emergencies Act authorizes the “Governor in Council … subject to the supervision of Parliament, to take special temporary measures that may not be appropriate in normal times” which nonetheless remain “subject [namely] to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Canadian Bill of Rights.”
The bank accounts that were frozen did not target truck drivers who didn’t get covid vaccinations.
The bank accounts of many truck drivers who were unvaccinated were not affected.
Many of the bank accounts that were affected were not those of truck drivers.
Financial institutions were to,
“Temporarily cease providing any financial or related services when an account is being used by, on behalf or for the benefit of any person engaged, directly or indirectly, in prohibited activities set out under sections 2 to 5 of the Emergency Measures Regulations;”
It affected only accounts that did those things after the February 15, 2022 invocation of the EMR.
“the Canadian Bankers Association noted that banks were trying to respect the spirit and intent of the Order to ensure that they were only freezing accounts linked to individuals or entities that were understood to be engaged in illegal activities””
Most of the bank accounts that were temporarily frozen were released within days, starting on February 21, 2022.
Citations:
INVOCATION OF THE EMERGENCIES ACT AND RELATED MEASURES
Most bank accounts frozen under Emergencies Act are being released
But of course, none of this matters to propagandists.
America’s 1984
by saildawg
, Mississippi Gulf Coast, Golfo de Mexico - Norte, Monday, September 08, 2025, 13:26 (427 days ago) @ Little Guy
Stubborn things.....facts.
America’s 1984
by ZihuaRx
, Saturday, September 13, 2025, 09:49 (422 days ago) @ Little Guy
from Chat GPT:
Justin Trudeau was asked (and did) invoke the Emergencies Act based on advice from the Clerk of the Privy Council, Janice Charette.
Canada News Media
+2
Global News
+2
Also, David Vigneault, the head of CSIS, advised Trudeau that invoking the Act was required, though he noted the protest didn’t meet CSIS’s legal threshold for a threat — his advice was based on a broader interpretation under the Emergencies Act.
Please, let's not change history otherwise sometime down the road we may elect another Trudeau....I'm not sure if the country can take it.
America’s 1984
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, September 13, 2025, 12:20 (422 days ago) @ ZihuaRx
I can't believe people think AI such as ChatGP is some kind of definitive source. AI tells you what it thinks you want to hear. Little Guy listed the chain of events with actual sources, while all you do is cite a computer program that's trying to provide you with answers you'll like, though not necessarily correct or factual answers, so you'll continue using it.
America’s 1984
by surfguy, Sunday, September 14, 2025, 21:18 (421 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
I can't believe people think AI such as ChatGP is some kind of definitive source. AI tells you what it thinks you want to hear. Little Guy listed the chain of events with actual sources, while all you do is cite a computer program that's trying to provide you with answers you'll like, though not necessarily correct or factual answers, so you'll continue using it.
Nice work ZihuaRx for standing up for the truth and providing sources for his claims that this forum seems to overlook.
I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.
Trudeau did this Trump did not. Peace and God bless.
America’s 1984
by jay
, Monday, September 15, 2025, 01:17 (420 days ago) @ surfguy
I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
Oh Surfdude. C'mon.
1. When comparing dictators you have to consider their body of work in its entirety, not just a slice of one issue. I don't know much about Canadian politics so I can't comment on what Trudeau did specifically, but if I remember correctly he never incited an insurrection against his own government, and then pardoned all involved; nor did he illegally unleash secret police to snatch brown people, including nannies and gardeners, off the streets and deport them to hellhole prisons overseas without a shred of due process; and I don't remember him trying to extort money from allegedly disloyal corporations, media giants and universities who refused to do his unconstitutional bidding; and I don't think he ever dispatched military troops to city streets on ginned up flimsy excuses to solve problems that don't exist. Who's the dictator now? Strike 1.
2. We have been using the SARS vaccine for many years with great effect, and COVID is in the same SARS family. As I understand it, because the two are nearly identical, all it took to develop the COVID vaccine was to swap out a small slice of DNA from the SARS vaccine and replace it with DNA from COVID. No need to reinvent the wheel here. That's why Trump, working day and night by himself in the lab in the White House basement, was able to develop it so quickly, taking full credit for himself ("I alone developed the COVID vaccine" ). And it was tested on 44,000 volunteers before it was approved, proving safe and effective, thereby saving millions of lives. Strike 2.
3. No scientist or medical professional (and no responsible politician) EVER said that the vaccine would "stop you from getting COVID". What they did say was that the vaccine would greatly improve your chances of avoiding it, and almost certainly keep you from a long hospital stay. (Unlike Trump and Fox, scientists and medical professionals deal in probabilities, not in certainties, always hedging to an extent. It's their stock in trade.) Bet Newsmax didn't mention any of that. Steerike 3! Game over!
America’s 1984
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 00:30 (418 days ago) @ jay
Thankfully there's more people like you here and in Zihua that gets it! Others got their info from Facebook experts lol
America’s 1984
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, September 15, 2025, 08:21 (420 days ago) @ surfguy
I can't believe people think AI such as ChatGP is some kind of definitive source. AI tells you what it thinks you want to hear. Little Guy listed the chain of events with actual sources, while all you do is cite a computer program that's trying to provide you with answers you'll like, though not necessarily correct or factual answers, so you'll continue using it.
Nice work ZihuaRx for standing up for the truth and providing sources for his claims that this forum seems to overlook.I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.
Trudeau did this Trump did not. Peace and God bless.
If you're just going to rather rudely ignore what someone took the time to research and list sources for that debunks your comments, then continue to make the same comments ignoring what was provided, I frankly don't see the utility of having any further engagement with you here. This isn't your personal sounding board. You're welcome to participate and interact in discussions, and if you have any, offer useful information, but not to waste other people's time and resources.
At the time of the incident you refer to, truckers were endangering other people's health by denying the science and not getting vaccinated and traveling great distances when the world needed to try to contain the spread of a disease it still didn't fully understand at the time. They were imitating what MAGAt anti-vaxxers were doing in the States, and if I recall correctly they received funding from MAGAt anti-vaxxers. Trudeau did the right thing. To call that dictatorship is to demonstrate your ignorance of the word.
Little Marco orange-nose, besides blowing innocent people out of the water to make MAGAt snuff films, wants to take away the passports of U.S. citizens and deny entry into the country of anyone who criticized the racist assh0le who was shot and killed in Utah last week. THAT'S what a dictatorship does. If you deny the obvious dictatorship qualities of the current regime in the USA while ascribing them to Trudeau for trying to SAVE LIVES, then you're simply living inside your head and not in the real world.
America’s 1984
by Padrino
, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, September 15, 2025, 08:53 (420 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
If you're just going to rather rudely ignore what someone took the time to research and list sources for that debunks your comments, then continue to make the same comments ignoring what was provided, I frankly don't see the utility of having any further engagement with you here. This isn't your personal sounding board. You're welcome to participate and interact in discussions, and if you have any, offer useful information, but not to waste other people's time and resources.
At the time of the incident you refer to, truckers were endangering other people's health by denying the science and not getting vaccinated and traveling great distances when the world needed to try to contain the spread of a disease it still didn't fully understand at the time. They were imitating what MAGAt anti-vaxxers were doing in the States, and if I recall correctly they received funding from MAGAt anti-vaxxers. Trudeau did the right thing. To call that dictatorship is to demonstrate your ignorance of the word.
Little Marco orange-nose, besides blowing innocent people out of the water to make MAGAt snuff films, wants to take away the passports of U.S. citizens and deny entry into the country of anyone who criticized the racist assh0le who was shot and killed in Utah last week. THAT'S what a dictatorship does. If you deny the obvious dictatorship qualities of the current regime in the USA while ascribing them to Trudeau for trying to SAVE LIVES, then you're simply living inside your head and not in the real world.
Ah, c'mon, Rob. Tell us how you really feel about the MAGA mutant.
Personally, I am racking my brain trying to understand how decent people can avoid, make excuses for, equivocate, deny, obfuscate, etc. the gravity of the situation where a white supremacist, morally bankrupt, cruel, vindicative, corrupt, sick, narcissistic, pussy-grabbing rapist pedofile has been elevated to the one of the most powerful positions in the world.
"This country is so fundamentally strong it can survive its leaders." -- Louis Rukeyser
Louis Rukeyser was a fixture on PBS for over 30 years. He was educating the common folk about the benefits of investing long before cable and the Internet. He said this in the early 2000's as the Bush Adminstration was hurtling us into a disastrous war of choice based on lies of weapons of mass destruction. He passed away in 2006. I am hanging on by a thread to these precious words. May God help us.
Oh, by the way, speaking of 1984, the second half of the title of this thread. I recently reread it after literally 50 years. It was even more terrifying than I remembered. We iz sooo skrewed! (Psst. Read Animal Farm first. They are both fairly quick reads.)
America’s 1984
by Yandosan, Monday, September 15, 2025, 10:08 (420 days ago) @ Padrino
He recently said 300,000,000 people died last year from illegal drugs and he ended 7 wars. I am starting to hope he falls into this other dimension he has one foot in. Like the Twilight Zone episode, Little Girl Lost.
2+2=5
by Little Guy
, Monday, September 15, 2025, 11:20 (420 days ago) @ Yandosan
Trump says he’s cut drug prices by up to 1,500%. That’s not possible
TRUMP: “You know, we’ve cut drug prices by 1,200, 1,300, 1,400, 1,500%. I don’t mean 50%, I mean 14 — 1,500%.”
In 1984 Winston Smith says,
In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it.
Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.
This is false. Cutting drug prices by more than 100% would theoretically mean that people are being paid to take medications. The Trump administration has taken steps to lower prescription drug prices, but experts say there’s no indication costs have seen such a massive drop.
Geoffrey Joyce, director of health policy at the University of Southern California’s Schaeffer Center, called Trump’s claim “total fiction” made up by the Republican president. He agreed that it would amount to drug companies paying customers, rather than the other way around.
Yet we can expect those purveyors of misinformation and disinformation here will support Trump’s “alternative facts” on this and every other distortion up to and including that ‘two plus two made five”.
America’s 1984
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 00:32 (418 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Ignorance is strength
by Little Guy
, Monday, September 15, 2025, 10:17 (420 days ago) @ surfguy
@ZihuaRx did not provide sources. They simply cut-and-pasted the unexamined output of some software. It you want to see real sources, read my previous posting that provided them.
I see that you are backing away from your previous, unfounded allegation that Trudeau exercised some kind of American Presidential Executive Order that is not provided for in the Canadian constitution. You continue to show your ignorance of Canadian governance by saying that the Emergencies Act allowed parliament to take actions. The Act authorizes actions by the Governor in Council, subject to review by Parliament.
Now you advance the disinformation that the brief freezing of bank account s was taken against Canadians who had “donated to the Freedom Truckers protest”. The truth is that accounts of Canadians who had donated were not frozen. The only accounts that were affected were those where donations were made after the proclaiming of the Regulations pursuant to the Act.
The Emergencies Act was invoked only weeks after a relatively small number of Canadians with large trucks made life unbearable for many more Canadians and interfered with local businesses.
I suspect that Trudeau, like most Canadians, didn’t care whether any of those so adversely affecting other Canadians were vaccinated. No one in Canada was forcing them to do so. The only adverse affect on Canadian truckers was that the US government would not permit unvaccinated truckers to enter the US. Unvaccinated Canadian truckers could continue to work anywhere in Canada and unvaccinated Canadian truckers already in the US could cross freely back into Canada.
Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.
Under the Canadian constitution matters related to health, including vaccination, are under provincial authority, not federal authority.
One of the slogans of the Party in 1984 is,
Ignorance is strength
If that were true, there would be some very strong people posting here on this topic.
Ignorance is strength
by surfguy, Monday, September 15, 2025, 12:00 (420 days ago) @ Little Guy
@ZihuaRx did not provide sources. They simply cut-and-pasted the unexamined output of some software. It you want to see real sources, read my previous posting that provided them.
I see that you are backing away from your previous, unfounded allegation that Trudeau exercised some kind of American Presidential Executive Order that is not provided for in the Canadian constitution. You continue to show your ignorance of Canadian governance by saying that the Emergencies Act allowed parliament to take actions. The Act authorizes actions by the Governor in Council, subject to review by Parliament.
Now you advance the disinformation that the brief freezing of bank account s was taken against Canadians who had “donated to the Freedom Truckers protest”. The truth is that accounts of Canadians who had donated were not frozen. The only accounts that were affected were those where donations were made after the proclaiming of the Regulations pursuant to the Act.
The Emergencies Act was invoked only weeks after a relatively small number of Canadians with large trucks made life unbearable for many more Canadians and interfered with local businesses.
I suspect that Trudeau, like most Canadians, didn’t care whether any of those so adversely affecting other Canadians were vaccinated. No one in Canada was forcing them to do so. The only adverse affect on Canadian truckers was that the US government would not permit unvaccinated truckers to enter the US. Unvaccinated Canadian truckers could continue to work anywhere in Canada and unvaccinated Canadian truckers already in the US could cross freely back into Canada.
Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.
Under the Canadian constitution matters related to health, including vaccination, are under provincial authority, not federal authority.
One of the slogans of the Party in 1984 is,
Ignorance is strength
If that were true, there would be some very strong people posting here on this topic.
Respectfully, what you say is incorrect. Not that this point is going to change your perspective on anything but yes, Trudeau did issue vaccine mandates.
Ignorance is strength
by surfguy, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 21:26 (417 days ago) @ surfguy
Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.
Respectfully, what you say is incorrect. Not that this point is going to change your perspective on anything but yes, Trudeau did issue vaccine mandates.
I read what you wrote very slowly. Did you read the citations very slowly about Trudeau’s mandates?
See ya jimmy Kimmel.
Ignorance is strength
by Little Guy
, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 22:13 (417 days ago) @ surfguy
edited by Little Guy, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 22:25
I read what you wrote very slowly. Did you read the citations very slowly about Trudeau’s mandates?
Yes, thank you for providing the non-paywalled link.
Again, there was no “truckers’ mandate”. There was consistent application of cross border requirements that applied to anyone entering Canada. Truck drivers under federal jurisdiction had temporarily been exempted from the requirements.
As of January 15, 2022 they were treated the same as others entering Canada. That is not some kind of “truckers’ mandate” it is consistent application of the law.
The mandate, which took effect on Jan. 15, states that all Canadian cross-border essential workers — including truckers — must show proof of vaccination at a port of entry to avoid stringent testing requirements and quarantine.
Those rules have been in effect for the travelling public since the fall. Truckers travelling within Canada are not affected by these new measures.
The government announced the cross-border vaccine policy on Nov. 19 and, after some confusion, the policy took effect on Jan. 15.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-mandate-double-down-convoy-1.6326821
Regarding the silencing of Jimmy Kimmel, Americans would be wise to re-read what Martin Niemöller said.
Ignorance is strength
by midalake
, Friday, September 19, 2025, 02:13 (416 days ago) @ surfguy
See ya jimmy Kimmel.
I did Nazi that coming.
Ignorance is strength
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 00:35 (418 days ago) @ Little Guy

Anyone is antifa
by Little Guy
, Wednesday, September 17, 2025, 22:40 (418 days ago) @ surfguy
The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.
I am pleased to inform our many U.S.A. Patriots that I am designating ANTIFA, A SICK, DANGEROUS, RADICAL LEFT DISASTER, AS A MAJOR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION,” Trump wrote. “I will also be strongly recommending that those funding ANTIFA be thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
And here we have it. There is no “organization” known as antifa. So the US government will be able to just label anyone they dislike as being antifa. Watch out Jimmy Kimmel.
Anyone is antifa
by Yandosan, Wednesday, September 17, 2025, 23:27 (418 days ago) @ Little Guy
edited by Yandosan, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 08:59
Kimmel is gone. Trumpkinhead is a full-fledged Mango Republic dick-tater now.
America’s 1984
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Thursday, September 18, 2025, 00:29 (418 days ago) @ surfguy

America’s 1984
by Little Guy
, Saturday, September 13, 2025, 16:39 (422 days ago) @ ZihuaRx
from Chat GPT:
{trash taken out}
Do you even read the caution when you use ChatGPT? It tells you,
“ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info.”
And do you care about the warnings by Nick Turley?
Don’t use ChatGPT for …, says head of ChatGPT Nick Turley in an important ‘warning’ to users
If you’ve ever asked ChatGPT to explain a tough concept, summarize an article, or even draft a quick report, you know how convincing the answers sound. But here’s the catch: convincing isn’t always correct.
Nick Turley, the head of ChatGPT at OpenAI, recently issued a straightforward warning — don’t rely on ChatGPT as your only source of truth. Even with GPT-5, the most advanced version yet, the technology still gets things wrong. In his words, ChatGPT “should be used as a second opinion.”
You provided some machine-generated response based on low-level writing intended for general audiences that don’t understand, and might not care to understand, how parliamentary democracy works or how specific legislation is designed.
I provided source documents.
One of my coffee mugs has an admonition,
“Computers should work; people should think.”
More people should think rather than relying on computers to think for them.
America’s 1984
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, September 13, 2025, 18:30 (422 days ago) @ Little Guy
If the truth mattered to these Maga's...sigh!
America’s 1984
by GordJ, Tuesday, September 09, 2025, 07:09 (426 days ago) @ surfguy
Trudeau froze the bank accounts of truck drivers who didn’t take the Covid vaccine…
That is total bs. I am not going to bother proving that this is a lie but it is a lie.
America’s 1984
by cd69
, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Saturday, September 13, 2025, 18:24 (422 days ago) @ surfguy

Orgullosamente Mexicano
by Sunlight Dancer
, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 21:48 (428 days ago) @ surfguy
I was under the impression if you questioned the integrity of election results at least in 2020 you go to prison. Are you allowed to question the results in 2024? Seems like quite a difference in dictatorship
You can question all you like. The difference was that you went to prison if you attacked police officers defending the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.

