Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I checked out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.

Agreed! Meat substitutes like Impassable Beef and Beneath Meat scare the bejeezus out of me. Who knows what is inside them!? And the current meat substitutes don't even try to pretend that they are healthy. They say they are "healthier" than beef. That is setting the bar pretty darn low.

This is why places such as Entre Zankas are so important. They don't try to imitate meat; they aim to surpass meat. They offer an alternative to meat that is delightfully disarming and delicious. "I didn't know plant-based / vegan food could taste so good!" is what you hear people say. They use seeds, nuts, whole grains, legumes, and vegetables to make dishes that have similar textures to meat but are far tastier and far healthier.

We are know that climate change is going to change our lives in many different ways. One of them will be our food supply. It is only a matter of time.

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternative to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!

Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I check out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.
I could go on, but that is enough.

I'm with you, Victor.

By the way, in this business world of mergers, buy-outs and acquisitions, two big companies, one in retail housewares, the other in the meat substitute business, have merged. The new company is called Bed, Bath & Beyond Meat.

Not to mention the methane produced in large quantities by feed lots!

The statistic that I find the hardest to believe is the amount of water needed to create one pound of beef. The numbers range from 441 gallons from the beef industry to over 12,000 gallons by a prominent professor. The numbers most reasonably quoted by reputable sources range from 1,800 to 2,500 gallons. Still shocking.

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternative to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!

Hola
Now let's hear from a carnivore.
Most "tastes just like beef" products are made from processed soy,(not going to list references because they are easy to find). The processing destroys a lot of the nutrients. To make them taste like beef, they are loaded with a lot of chemicals. I checked out one fake beef burger and the list of additives was more than 20. That coupled with fact that soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, make them undesirable for me. Phytoestrogens are hormone mimicers and are not good.
I could go on, but that is enough.

what is the cost of the plant based cheese burgers at the restaurant in Zihua?

Here is their menu: https://www.facebook.com/EntreZankas/menu

The burger as of 30-November-2020 is $115 pesos.

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

The diet that produces the lowest carbon footprint and uses the least amount of water is a plant-based diet. It's also happens to be the healthiest diet. Check out www.nutritionfacts.org.

For all of you meat-hungry fans living in Zihuatanejo, check out the cheeseburgers at Entre Zankas in downtown Zihua. You will be pleasantly surprised at the taste of some of the plant-based alternatives to meat.

Okay, ready for the slings and arrows!

The pandemic and to a much greater extent, climate change is going to force us humans into rethinking a whole lot of fundamentals. Not the least of which is how we produce and distribute food.

Yeah, I think that message got pretty much lost among the competing chaos.

Oh, so you know all there is to know about fishing? My guess is that your experience is limited to sport fishing. All very nice but hardly covering the full spectrum of knowledge! Anybody who leaves a gillnet "soaking" for 12 hours is one who is not the slightest bit interested in releasing anything!

They put those gill nets down before dark and come back the next day. How many hours is that?? I have witnessed them do this hundreds of times! All in the same zone 100's of fish species inhabit.

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Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! As gill nets do!

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While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.

The oceans are in crisis. All one has to do is follow what China is doing with their fishing fleets.

Why not follow what the USA's doing with their own fishing fleets? They aren't exactly innocent bystanders or any kind of vanguard. Folks should try to eat meats from their own region instead of from thousands of miles away. I never understood why Floridians need to eat Alaskan King Crab or why lobster and shrimp need to be available hundreds of miles from the ocean. It's a shame we kill any animal for commerce and consumption.

You can in fact control what you catch with a gillnet by varying the size of the web. A larger size would allow some fish to swim through etc. In BC fishermen will change nets depending on what they are fishing for. So it is possible to be responsible and sustainable!

Oh, someone who is going to educate me on fishing...lol.

Gill nets placed as you speak above at certain depths where really only one or two species of fish hang out is a good cause.

But nets placed here in Mexico where literally hundreds of species of fish roam and many not having a paying market or edible leaves untold and unnecessary fish kill.

PERIOD!

How do fish die in a gill net? [from google]

Stress levels continued to rise the longer the fish were in the net, even after 12 hours. 28% of the fish died in the net, probably from suffocation caused by constriction of the gills. Another 16% died following release, having incurred open wounds.

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! As gill nets do!

D

While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.

The oceans are in crisis. All one has to do is follow what China is doing with their fishing fleets.

Repairing the damaged nets. . . . now that's a skill !!

A better skill would not be using those nets that catch and kill everything that enters it! As gill nets do!

D

While I'm no fan of these nets, these guys aren't the ones doing the ecological damage. Most panga fishermen here aren't even working because there's so little demand. It's the "industrial" fishing vessels and fleets that keep the inland restaurants, markets and stores full of seafood. And it's the desire for fish such as grouper (mero) in Florida and the Gulf states, a fish that is one of the very few that eats the invasive lionfish taking over the Caribbean and that is a slow-growing fish. Frankly, I'm surprised there are any left.