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<title>Venta de El Partenón de Zihuatanejo (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lookee here who made the news (again). <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="wink" /> </p>
<p><strong><a href="https://noticiaszihuatanejo.com/reacciones-por-posible-venta-del-partenon-de-zihuatanejo/">https://noticiaszihuatanejo.com/reacciones-por-posible-venta-del-partenon-de-zihuatanejo/</a></strong></p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2022 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It will just be more condos!</p>
</blockquote><p>Bingo. Condo developers abound and their developments are always what ruin the places previously considered paradises. Watched it happen (and it continues) up and down both coasts of Florida. I predict it won't be long till there are almost no green areas left in La Ropa. It truly breaks my heart to see what has already happened to La Huerta there. What some folks might consider &quot;progress&quot; I consider rape of the land.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Venta de El Partenón de Zihuatanejo (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with that site becoming private. As it sits now it is mostly a private property that has paved over the nature that was there before. It will be little different than the other buildings that are already in the area and the dozens more that are under construction. My key concern is that the funds generated from that sale are returned to the Mexican people (which should encompass legitimate claims of former land owners) in a verifiable way.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Venta de El Partenón de Zihuatanejo (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the skepticism as to whether or not the right thing would be done with the proceeds of the sale. I guess I am trying to be optimistic and hope that what the supporters of the current president and his party say is true and that somehow he and his party are changing the system of corruption. Based on your statement it seems that it probably hasn't changed all that much and we can expect the sale of this property to do very little for anyone outside of political class and that we can expect more of the same. It would be nice to hear that current governor, who is a part of the Morena party, would be trying to do something different. I will continue to write and exert influence in any small way I can to hopefully encourage that behavior but I am fully aware that those efforts are likely to be futile. I keep hoping though that speaking up will hinder those who like to take advantage of the silence of good people.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will just be more condos!</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just remember, for all those who favor selling it and using the proceeds for beneficial public uses or reparations to families from which the property was stolen, for it to have any value it would have to be purchased by an entity that intends to develope it. No one is going to purchase it just to plant a hill full of trees and flowers.</p>
</blockquote><p>Agreed. A private enterprise must be able to sustain itself. The trick is to get the developers to create something that is both profitable to the developers and beneficial to the community. Much easier said than done!</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember, for all those who favor selling it and using the proceeds for beneficial public uses or reparations to families from which the property was stolen, for it to have any value it would have to be purchased by an entity that intends to develope it. No one is going to purchase it just to plant a hill full of trees and flowers.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site is beautiful, but it is not &quot;public&quot; now and hasn't been.  Some folks have gotten in to view it, but it's not a public place.  The amount of money that would need to be spent to maintain the crumbling cement, etc. would negate any funds that could be generated by that property.  So, I agree with selling it and upgrading the hospital with the funds (or at least some of them).</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 13:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Zihua needs a new hospital as well as Zihua needs to preserve the very little bit of scenic beauty that is rapidly disappearing. Granted the site was created from the profits of corruption and greed, but that does not discount the value of the site remaining public rather than going private and then off limits to most people in the area.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 02:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I appreciate that perspective and in some ways I can see the argument for making it some kind of tourist attraction (more formally than it currently is). However, I don't think I have ever heard of anyone deciding to come to Zihuatanejo because the &quot;Parthenon&quot; is there. Even for people who did go to visit it I have never heard someone say,&quot;....geesh I am coming back to Zihuatanejo again because of the Parthenon....&quot;. No, Zihuatanejo is a destination for the natural beauty of its beaches, mountains, culture and cuisine. I am unconvinced that the Parthenon could ever be converted to something that meaningfully adds to the experience of our paradise. It is interesting, but after I had seen it once that was more than enough for me. It seems far more just to me that the monument of corruption that was acquired by theft from the people of Mexico be returned to the people of Mexico in a meaningful way. Hopefully it doesn't get sold off just to fatten the bank accounts of more corrupt politicians and their entourages.</p>
</blockquote><p>I think there is little doubt that it's sale would go to someone of influence and that any sale would include the inevitable <em>mochada</em> to the respective public servants. A politician in Guerrero doesn't do anything out of altruism, and since the people know this there is little illusion about our politicians. </p>
<p>Since the building and its land are the product of corruption, including extortion from people like my wife's family who was forced to &quot;sell&quot; land to El Negro Durazo that wasn't for sale at an absurd price (plata o plomo), now the location of the Embarc, from our point of view justice would be served by reimbursing local families who suffered extortion by the criminal El Negro Durazo. But again, <em>en Guerrero no hay justicia.</em></p>
<p>If you ask today's general population what to do, they'll all say something similar. Museum, hospital, school, restaurant or tourist attraction. But if you ask just the folks who were living here at the time El Negro Durazo extorted from locals and built El Partenón, they'll likely want to see some reparations for what they or their families, friends and neighbors lost. But no one is asking them, never have, never will. </p>
<p>El Negro Durazo also wanted to build a home on Isla Ixtapa, essentially claiming two of its beaches as his own, but fortunately he went to jail before that project got very far along. But if he had would the &quot;government&quot; (we actually mean the politicians) also be considering profiting from the sale or returning the land to public domain? I think we all know the answer. This is no different. </p>
<p>I don't expect any true transparency or accountability.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2022 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that perspective and in some ways I can see the argument for making it some kind of tourist attraction (more formally than it currently is). However, I don't think I have ever heard of anyone deciding to come to Zihuatanejo because the &quot;Parthenon&quot; is there. Even for people who did go to visit it I have never heard someone say,&quot;....geesh I am coming back to Zihuatanejo again because of the Parthenon....&quot;. No, Zihuatanejo is a destination for the natural beauty of its beaches, mountains, culture and cuisine. I am unconvinced that the Parthenon could ever be converted to something that meaningfully adds to the experience of our paradise. It is interesting, but after I had seen it once that was more than enough for me. It seems far more just to me that the monument of corruption that was acquired by theft from the people of Mexico be returned to the people of Mexico in a meaningful way. Hopefully it doesn't get sold off just to fatten the bank accounts of more corrupt politicians and their entourages.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even nicer if the Partenon could be as a park where events could be held for rent, as well as for public events etc. The benefit of the few pesos received for the sale will be long forgotten in a year or so.  That property is priceless</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 22:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He leído en las noticias que el gobernador ha confirmado que venderán el Partenón. Supongamos que esos recursos se utilizarán para el &quot;beneficio social&quot;, aunque no se ofrecen detalles específicos. Si alguien con alguna influencia lee esto, espero que el proceso de venta de la propiedad sea transparente y que exista responsabilidad sobre cómo se utilizan esos recursos. Por ejemplo, sería muy bueno si Zihuatanejo pudiera obtener una hospital mejorado de que lo tenemos al momento.</p>
<p>I have read in the news that the governor has confirmed that they will be selling the Parthenon. Supposedly those resources will be used for the &quot;social benefit&quot; though no specifics are offered. If anyone with any influence reads this, I hope that the process of selling the property will be transparent and that there will be accountability for how those resources are used. For example, it would be really nice if Zihuatanejo could get a major upgrade of its hospital.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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