It seems that you don’t really want to speak to the aspects you raised.

They say some daft people need to hear something three times.

We have no disagreement that open burning is bad for the environment.

We have no disagreement that the seasonal open burning for a few weeks a year is bad for the environment.

I don’t think we disagree that particulate smoke from Petacalco’s year round burning of fossil fuels is even worse than a few weeks of seasonal open burning of non-fossil material.

Your assertion about the seasonal open burning of non-fossil material for a few weeks a year is,

It is a DISASTER for our climate.

I’m pointing out that it is the behaviour of the people we see in our mirrors that “is a DISASTER for our climate”.

Englishman John Haywood wrote in 1546, “Who is so deafe, or so blynde, as is hee, that wilfully will nother he[a]re nor see.”

Or an Irish version from Johnathan Swift, “There's none so blind as they that won't see.”

It seems that you don’t really want to speak to the aspects you raised.

They say some daft people need to hear something three times.

Is burning fields bad for the environment?
Environmental impacts of smoke

Residue from burning contaminates the soil and groundwater and can enter the human food chain through crops and livestock.
In addition, certain chemicals released by burning can accumulate in the fats of animals and then in humans as we consume meat, fish and dairy products.

I do not post for a competition. No Chit. Start your own thread.

I don’t believe you started this thread. “No Chit”.

It seems that you don’t really want to speak to the aspects you raised.

Or perhaps you don’t want to look in a mirror for fear of what you might see?

Is burning fields bad for the environment?

I support your view that open burning is bad for the environment. I don’t think we have a difference there.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage is localized.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage is visible at the time.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage can be remediated within a few years, maybe a few decades.

It is not the case to say about open burning that “It is a DISASTER for our climate”.

Climate change is not localized, it is global. The actions we the relatively affluent take in our homes and on vacations wreak havoc now on the lives of poor people far away.

Climate change is largely “invisible” in the sense that although it is there, we either actively ignore it or just don’t notice it. How many of us think of the damage we know we are doing when we drive, or fly, or turn on that air conditioning? We ignore it instead, making it effectively invisible. How many people even know that contrails exacerbate global warming?

Contrails and climate change

https://iee.psu.edu/news/podcast/growing-impact-contrails-and-climate-change#:~:text=Contrails%2C%20like%20cirrus%20clouds%20and,Earth's%20surface%...

Contrails, like cirrus clouds and unlike thicker, lower-altitude clouds, can allow a considerable amount of solar radiation to penetrate to the Earth's surface, warming the planet. Contrails can also trap that energy in the Earth's atmosphere, increasing the warming effect. As aviation is anticipated to grow in the coming years, there is concern about the increasing impact of contrails on climate change.

Our ignorance makes it invisible.

Climate change will not be remediated in a few years or a few decades. We are experiencing the global warming effects of actions decades ago. Our climate changing actions today will build on those errors of our parents and grandparents.

Or we can choose to make the hard decisions to sacrifice today for our children, our grandchildren, and those not yet born.

“It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world.”?

I suggest it is too bad that eduction is not changing behaviours sufficiently in “our part of the world”. We look in the mirror but we refuse to see the real source of the disaster of climate change.

We don’t need to blame the “uneducated” elsewhere. We need to act in accordance with our own education.

I did not post for a competition. No Chit. Start your own thread.

Is burning fields bad for the environment?

I support your view that open burning is bad for the environment. I don’t think we have a difference there.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage is localized.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage is visible at the time.

Activities resulting in most (not all, but most) environmental damage can be remediated within a few years, maybe a few decades.

It is not the case to say about open burning that “It is a DISASTER for our climate”.

Climate change is not localized, it is global. The actions we the relatively affluent take in our homes and on vacations wreak havoc now on the lives of poor people far away.

Climate change is largely “invisible” in the sense that although it is there, we either actively ignore it or just don’t notice it. How many of us think of the damage we know we are doing when we drive, or fly, or turn on that air conditioning? We ignore it instead, making it effectively invisible. How many people even know that contrails exacerbate global warming?

Contrails and climate change

https://iee.psu.edu/news/podcast/growing-impact-contrails-and-climate-change#:~:text=Contrails%2C%20like%20cirrus%20clouds%20and,Earth's%20surface%...

Contrails, like cirrus clouds and unlike thicker, lower-altitude clouds, can allow a considerable amount of solar radiation to penetrate to the Earth's surface, warming the planet. Contrails can also trap that energy in the Earth's atmosphere, increasing the warming effect. As aviation is anticipated to grow in the coming years, there is concern about the increasing impact of contrails on climate change.

Our ignorance makes it invisible.

Climate change will not be remediated in a few years or a few decades. We are experiencing the global warming effects of actions decades ago. Our climate changing actions today will build on those errors of our parents and grandparents.

Or we can choose to make the hard decisions to sacrifice today for our children, our grandchildren, and those not yet born.

“It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world.”?

I suggest it is too bad that eduction is not changing behaviours sufficiently in “our part of the world”. We look in the mirror but we refuse to see the real source of the disaster of climate change.

We don’t need to blame the “uneducated” elsewhere. We need to act in accordance with our own education.

It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world. Not only can this be terrible for the soil and crop success. It is a DISASTER for our climate.

I’m not a fan of agricultural slash and burn. It doesn’t just look bad, but particulates in smoke present health hazards. But it is not “a DISASTER for our climate”. The release of carbon from agricultural material occurs whether it is done quickly by burning, or more slowly by decomposition.

The real sources of disaster for our climate don’t come from poor people, they come from affluent people.

Affluent people who fly from Canada and the US on planes both using fossil fuels and producing contrails that exacerbate global warming.

Affluent people who drive around using fossil fuels in their internal combustion SUVs to get the the airport to get on those planes.

Affluent people who travel to the tropics, then crank up the air conditioning to make their room feel like the place they just flew in from.

And the electricity they use for that air conditioning comes from Petacalco.

Petacalco power station

The Petacalco power complex has had significant negative impacts on human health, marine life, fisheries and agriculture in northwestern Guerrero state. The Petacalco plant burns an average of 7 million tons of coal per year and has been described as one of the world's worst polluters. Its annual emissions of carbon dioxide and mercury (over 15 million tons, and 711 tons, respectively) are the highest of any power plant in Mexico.

In addition, it ranks second nationally in annual emissions of nitrous oxide (228 tons) and methane (152 tons), third in nitric oxide (over 24,000 tons), and fifth in sulfur dioxide (152 tons per year).

Air and water pollution traceable to the plant have created multiple negative impacts for surrounding communities, including depletion of fisheries, loss of mangrove habitat, and high concentrations of coal ash and other particulates that threaten residents' health.

Affluent people who invest in and use the products of Coca Cola, Pepsi, Nestlé, and Danone.

More than 20 per cent of all branded pollution is linked to four brands: The Coca-Cola Company, PepsiCo, Nestlé, and Danone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/climate/plastic-study-canada-1.7182609

“It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world.”?

We don’t have to search out subsistence farmers in a foreign country when it comes to “DISASTER for our climate”. We just have to look in the mirror.

You can spin that many ways. How about there are just too many of us. So should we blame it on poor families having 10 kids? China understood this and tried addressing it years ago.

Residue from burning contaminates the soil and groundwater and can enter the human food chain through crops and livestock. In addition, certain chemicals released by burning can accumulate in the fats of animals and then in humans as we consume meat, fish and dairy products.

It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world. Not only can this be terrible for the soil and crop success. It is a DISASTER for our climate.

I’m not a fan of agricultural slash and burn. It doesn’t just look bad, but particulates in smoke present health hazards. But it is not “a DISASTER for our climate”. The release of carbon from agricultural material occurs whether it is done quickly by burning, or more slowly by decomposition.

The real sources of disaster for our climate don’t come from poor people, they come from affluent people.

Affluent people who fly from Canada and the US on planes both using fossil fuels and producing contrails that exacerbate global warming.

Affluent people who drive around using fossil fuels in their internal combustion SUVs to get the the airport to get on those planes.

Affluent people who travel to the tropics, then crank up the air conditioning to make their room feel like the place they just flew in from.

And the electricity they use for that air conditioning comes from Petacalco.

Petacalco power station

The Petacalco power complex has had significant negative impacts on human health, marine life, fisheries and agriculture in northwestern Guerrero state. The Petacalco plant burns an average of 7 million tons of coal per year and has been described as one of the world's worst polluters. Its annual emissions of carbon dioxide and mercury (over 15 million tons, and 711 tons, respectively) are the highest of any power plant in Mexico.

In addition, it ranks second nationally in annual emissions of nitrous oxide (228 tons) and methane (152 tons), third in nitric oxide (over 24,000 tons), and fifth in sulfur dioxide (152 tons per year).

Air and water pollution traceable to the plant have created multiple negative impacts for surrounding communities, including depletion of fisheries, loss of mangrove habitat, and high concentrations of coal ash and other particulates that threaten residents' health.

Affluent people who invest in and use the products of Coca Cola, Pepsi, Nestlé, and Danone.

More than 20 per cent of all branded pollution is linked to four brands: The Coca-Cola Company, PepsiCo, Nestlé, and Danone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/climate/plastic-study-canada-1.7182609

“It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world.”?

We don’t have to search out subsistence farmers in a foreign country when it comes to “DISASTER for our climate”. We just have to look in the mirror.

And then there are the terrorists who are currently drone-bombing communities in the sierra of Petatlán and Técpan so that their inhabitants will abandon their communities. They've also started several of the recent big fires causing smoke along our coast.

Please elaborate on this statement and where the information originated?

Thank you.

It's been on the national news programs as well as in social media and local and regional newspapers. It should be in the newspapers I list here on my website.

http://www.zihuatanejo.net/html/news.html

Please elaborate on this statement and where the information originated?

Thank you.

"The smoke, of course, comes from campesinos burning fields to plant maíz, frijól and calabasa. Some years are worse than others. If we're lucky, the smokiness will stay like it is now, barely noticeable. But I've lived through some really bad years here where it looks like a war zone where everyone lost,"

It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world. Not only can this be terrible for the soil and crop success. It is a DISASTER for our climate.

Does it not make more sense to plow under the remnants of last season's crops? It seems with burning, you are just wasting organic material that would be useful fertilizer for the new season of plants. Any agriculturists out there in Zihuatanejo.net land?

You all make erroneous assumptions about local farming that does most of the burning. Most crops in this season are cultivated in tlacololes on hillsides. There's no plowing. No oxen. No mules. No tractors. Just thousands of years of experience and a lot of hard work. The crops they plant have to get them though a long dry season.

And then there are the terrorists who are currently drone-bombing communities in the sierra of Petatlán and Técpan so that their inhabitants will abandon their communities. They've also started several of the recent big fires causing smoke along our coast.

"The smoke, of course, comes from campesinos burning fields to plant maíz, frijól and calabasa. Some years are worse than others. If we're lucky, the smokiness will stay like it is now, barely noticeable. But I've lived through some really bad years here where it looks like a war zone where everyone lost,"

It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world. Not only can this be terrible for the soil and crop success. It is a DISASTER for our climate.

Does it not make more sense to plow under the remnants of last season's crops? It seems with burning, you are just wasting organic material that would be useful fertilizer for the new season of plants. Any agriculturists out there in Zihuatanejo.net land?

It is too bad education has not reached this part of the world. Not only can this be terrible for the soil and crop success. It is a DISASTER for our climate.

Seasons of the year are different in the topics, and at our latitude we basically only recognize the dry season and the rainy season. The dry season means cool evenings, clear skies, mild temps, refreshing breezes, and sunny days. At the end of the dry season, in other words NOW, after the yearly marea roja passes, the water usually clears up at the same time it warms up, offering the best swimming of the year, especially for visitors to whom the water doesn't feel as cold as it does to locals. Today the water temperature in Zihuatanejo Bay reached 26°C but seems to have leveled off at 25.5°C. A little warmer each day. Change is in the air. The water is almost warm enough for locals again. Another change in the air is the presence of smoke. Today was the first day that smelled smoky all day long, from dawn to dusk, though very few fires are actually visible, and smoke is not really all that visible in the sky. But today's pink wispy clouds at sunset are typical of this time of year. They'll get more intense and colorful as the amount of smoke in the air increases. The smoke, of course, comes from campesinos burning fields to plant maíz, frijól and calabasa. Some years are worse than others. If we're lucky, the smokiness will stay like it is now, barely noticeable. But I've lived through some really bad years here where it looks like a war zone where everyone lost, where the other side of the bay is a faint outline, and even the mountains disappear. It's common for fishermen to get lost at sea for being unable to see landmarks. Even the sun becomes difficult to locate in the grayish-whiteness of a smoke-filled sky. I used to always use a compass on such days at sea, but I don't think most panga fishermen even carry one (though someone stole mine). There are few sights more disheartening than being at sea and seeing so much smoke over the land that it looks like nothing living could possibly breathe and survive. We've been fortunate so far this burning season. The weather has been absolutely picture-postcard-perfect every single day. Keeping fingers crossed.

Hardly any tourists around today. A few were enjoying Playa Principal and playing in the waves from the mar de fondo. I've never understood why people like to stand right where the wave breaks and get hit over and over, but to each their own. It seems to be what people think they're supposed to do at the beach here.

Whether you want to go whale watching, sportfishing, sightseeing or snorkeling, my friend Capitán Ramón Olea of the panga Oleaje offers an affordable adventure waiting to be enjoyed. Ramón knows all the local fishing and snorkeling spots as well as what else is worth seeing. His 24' covered panga doesn't offer much luxury, but his expertise in fishing and his local knowledge of our coast and its marine life is second to none! Ramón practices "catch and release" fishing when possible.
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