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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  speech is free in America, and voluntary, why was I compelled to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in elementary  and  high school?*</p>
<p>*Things that make  you  say &quot;Hmmmmm.&quot;</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I tend to agree with you. There are a few people on this board who make fun of serious posts. They think their posts are funny and so  clever.  <strong>I think that they are aholes and make me just laugh at them for showing what idiots they truly are.</strong></p>
</blockquote><p>Free speech is very important. It makes it so much easier to identify the idiots.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Now now. Craig and his wife are good people. He was having a little sport and it looks like he reeled in a few.</p>
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&quot;Good people&quot;?  Okey-doke.</p>
<p>The only way I have to determine the character of another individual on this message board is by what he or she writes.  </p>
<p>Life is short.  I'll go back to ignoring his posts.</p>
</blockquote><p>Hola <br />
I tend to agree with you. There are a few people on this board who make fun of serious posts. They think their posts are funny and so  clever.  I think that they are aholes and make me just laugh at them for showing what idiots they truly are.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now now. Craig and his wife are good people. He was having a little sport and it looks like he reeled in a few.</p>
</blockquote><p>&quot;Good people&quot;?  Okey-doke.</p>
<p>The only way I have to determine the character of another individual on this message board is by what he or she writes.  </p>
<p>Life is short.  I'll go back to ignoring his posts.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a relief there haven’t been any incidents. You are just “concerned” there will be and you’ve seen violent rhetoric on social media. I agree the distinction is important for visitors to understand.</p>
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<title>George Orwell on Freedom (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote from Orwell seems to be appropro for the executive branch these days.</p>
<p><em>“You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not free to think for yourself.”</em></p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There have been unprovoked attacks on Americans in Zihua because the US president’s administration is enforcing immigration laws? For a site that promotes tourism I don’t understand why you want to scare visitors unless you have actual local violent crime to report targeting foreigners.</p>
</blockquote><p>I'm going to ignore the part where you put words in my mouth that I never said or accuse me of doing something I'm not. I gather it's just a reflex for you.</p>
<p>What law precisely is being enforced when ICE separates children who are U.S. citizens from their parents or separates a family that have lived and worked in the USA for over 3 decades? Being undocumented isn't a crime. Seeking asylum isn't a crime. Using the CBP One app that regulated court hearings for asylum seekers isn't a crime.</p>
<p>See, the Insurrectionist ergo Illegitimate President is making a show of cruelty for his very base base who cheer this crap. Folks who are apparently so gullible and brainwashed they can't be bothered with FACTS, TRUTH and much less with MORALITY. Presidents Obama and Biden expelled people constantly, sometimes with questionable methods and results, but it wasn't televised for the very base audience who likes to watch an already suffering people suffer more. And they never sent unannounced military planes, INCREDIBLY STUPID, and they tried not to violate people's human rights or dignity in the process.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>I know that I replied to myself but I didn’t want to point at any person in particular.  First of all maybe you should read what you post.  I would never put anything like that in writing but it is as I said before, very entertaining.  The Ted Nugent comment was tongue in cheek about someone giving their political opinions when you don’t want to hear them.  He is a great musician but I didn’t go to his concert to hear a bunch of political bs, could care less if it’s blue or red.  By the way you have no clue how I voted and never will.  I have noticed over the years that the older someone gets the more they believe their opinion is fact and they loose their filter and friends.  Hopefully I can learn by example.</p>
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Yet you continue to post, and to what end?  Nobody cares how you voted, or the MAGA gear your wife wears, or how things are for you back home.  The deliberate antagonizing of others on this board is attention-seeking behavior   and rather pathetic </p>
<p>Sorry, pal, but you exaggerate your own importance.</p>
</blockquote><p>Now now. Craig and his wife are good people. He was having a little sport and it looks like he reeled in a few.</p>
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<title>Consequences of Feb 1 Tariffs? (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>There have been unprovoked attacks on Americans in Zihua because the US president’s administration is enforcing immigration laws? For a site that promotes tourism I don’t understand why you want to scare visitors unless you have actual local violent crime to report targeting foreigners.</p>
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Where does it say that?</p>
</blockquote><p>He's one of THOSE.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There have been unprovoked attacks on Americans in Zihua because the US president’s administration is enforcing immigration laws? For a site that promotes tourism I don’t understand why you want to scare visitors unless you have actual local violent crime to report targeting foreigners.</p>
</blockquote><p>Where does it say that?</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been unprovoked attacks on Americans in Zihua because the US president’s administration is enforcing immigration laws? For a site that promotes tourism I don’t understand why you want to scare visitors unless you have actual local violent crime to report targeting foreigners.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know that I replied to myself but I didn’t want to point at any person in particular.  First of all maybe you should read what you post.  I would never put anything like that in writing but it is as I said before, very entertaining.  The Ted Nugent comment was tongue in cheek about someone giving their political opinions when you don’t want to hear them.  He is a great musician but I didn’t go to his concert to hear a bunch of political bs, could care less if it’s blue or red.  By the way you have no clue how I voted and never will.  I have noticed over the years that the older someone gets the more they believe their opinion is fact and they loose their filter and friends.  Hopefully I can learn by example.</p>
</blockquote><p>Yet you continue to post, and to what end?  Nobody cares how you voted, or the MAGA gear your wife wears, or how things are for you back home.  The deliberate antagonizing of others on this board is attention-seeking behavior   and rather pathetic </p>
<p>Sorry, pal, but you exaggerate your own importance.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;there  will never  be another national election.&quot;</p>
<p> They said this about  Bush/Cheney too  but it never happened.    I  don't  think Captain Cheezepuff and   his gang of thieves will  do this, as repulsive as they are. That's  when &quot;normal&quot;  people  would  take up  arms  and carry out  justice. (Yes, he tried it  before  but  they nipped it in the bud.)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
</blockquote><p>If the Nazis in the White House, and their billionaire puppet-masters, have their way, there will never be another national election.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congratulations. You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
</blockquote><p>It's clear you have no idea what Marxism is. For the record I am nowhere near being a Marxist. And if I have to compromise my principles and integrity and join the completely irrational Maga Cult in order to be on the winning side, well, then I'd rather lose and keep my integrity.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
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I can’t help but wonder whether you have ever studied Marxism. </p>
<p>There are no federal politicians in the US who are Marxists.They might have studied Marxist political and economic theory.  But that doesn’t mean they adopted it. </p>
<p>There are none who are socialists. </p>
<p>Even Bernie Sanders could not be considered a democratic socialist, or even a social democrat. </p>
<p>It seems that in the US, terms like Marxist and socialist are used as one-size-fits-all pejoratives with little understanding of their meaning.</p>
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The republican use of the word &quot;Marxist&quot; <strong>is purely for the uneducated in the US of A </strong></p>
</blockquote><p>Hola<br />
One of Karl Marx's most memorable words were &quot;religion is the opiate of the masses&quot;</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
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I can’t help but wonder whether you have ever studied Marxism. </p>
<p>There are no federal politicians in the US who are Marxists.They might have studied Marxist political and economic theory.  But that doesn’t mean they adopted it. </p>
<p>There are none who are socialists. </p>
<p>Even Bernie Sanders could not be considered a democratic socialist, or even a social democrat. </p>
<p>It seems that in the US, terms like Marxist and socialist are used as one-size-fits-all pejoratives with little understanding of their meaning.</p>
</blockquote><p>The republican use of the word &quot;Marxist&quot; <strong>is purely for the uneducated in the US of A </strong></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
</blockquote><p>I can’t help but wonder whether you have ever studied Marxism. </p>
<p>There are no federal politicians in the US who are Marxists.They might have studied Marxist political and economic theory.  But that doesn’t mean they adopted it. </p>
<p>There are none who are socialists. </p>
<p>Even Bernie Sanders could not be considered a democratic socialist, or even a social democrat. </p>
<p>It seems that in the US, terms like Marxist and socialist are used as one-size-fits-all pejoratives with little understanding of their meaning.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
</blockquote><p><img src="images/smilies/rolling-on-the-floor-laughing_1f923.png" alt=":rollingonthefloorlaughing:" title="rolling on the floor laughing" /> Triggered says WHAT? You sound scared. The only reason a traitorous criminal is sitting in the White House enriching himself is because RePUKElicans can't win elections without cheating and lying. And soft-headed useful idiots who believe their lies vote for them. And those are the nicer MAGAts. The rest have a pestilent black hole where the rest of the world has a heart.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations.  You are one of the few liberal Marxist lunatics, who realizes, that you will never win a national election again.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then  there is  John Lennon  Spanish, on Abbey Road.</p>
<p> <span style="color:#33f;">Quando paramucho mi amore de felice corazon.</span></p>
<p>What the actual hell?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that I replied to myself but I didn’t want to point at any person in particular.  First of all maybe you should read what you post.  I would never put anything like that in writing but it is as I said before, very entertaining.  The Ted Nugent comment was tongue in cheek about someone giving their political opinions when you don’t want to hear them.  He is a great musician but I didn’t go to his concert to hear a bunch of political bs, could care less if it’s blue or red.  By the way you have no clue how I voted and never will.  I have noticed over the years that the older someone gets the more they believe their opinion is fact and they loose their filter and friends.  Hopefully I can learn by example.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that in France and in Quebec there are government agencies that regulate language. I don’t know whether there is one in Spain. But Mexican Spanish seems to me to be both fluid and localized. </p>
<p>I recall having seen</p>
<p>Cerveza<br />
Cervesa<br />
Cerbesa and <br />
Cerbeza</p>
<p>Thirty years ago, in the pre-gringo era, in the Troncones area, “restaurante” was commonly spelt “restaurant”. It seems that this was not an anglicization. One of the first people with a sign ran out of space so just dropped the “e”. Others followed suit. </p>
<p>In La Majahua, pigs were commonly referred to as “porqui”, but not in nearby Troncones. It seems that decades ago, someone from La Majahua was somewhere and saw a Porkie the Pig cartoon and brought the word back.</p>
<p>And some might remember a restaurant on Calle Cuauhtémoc in Zihuatanejo with the name “Restaurante Económico Caro”. What? “Economical, Expensive Restaurant”? </p>
<p>Nope. Another example of a sign painter running out of room, so “Carol” didn’t get her whole name on the sign for her economical restaurant.</p>
<p>Another of my favourites… I saw this in Sonora</p>
<p>Quentukqui Pollo Frito</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sorry if I implied that propaganda is new. I'm well aware of its history going back, well, forever. I only meant that with IT, analytics, and computer power it's lately been refined to a science.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Where are the goals of creating a more perfect union, establishing justice for all, and promoting the general welfare?</p>
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OK boomer. Your lofty ideals are too quaint and so last century and lost in today's world. Now we're ruled by rightwing media whose whole existence is predicated on spewing propaganda and gaslighting, wholesale lies and bullshit, constantly pushing emotional buttons that rewire the brains of its dimwitted audience. And it works spectacularly well - propaganda has become an exacting science. Add to that social media that thrives on clickbait ('Trump exciting, Biden boring. Go Trump!') and we're screwed. Unfortunately most people vote not  on the basis of logic and reason but for emotional reasons. While not for a minute am I suggesting any government censorship. but as long as Fox and social media continue to vomit out their garbage - and there's a willing and gullible audience  - then I see no way out of this mess.</p>
</blockquote><p>I agree with you except on one point:  the steady stream of right wing propaganda is indeed &quot;so last century&quot;.  The only difference is the vehicle used to deliver it.</p>
<p>Mussolini used it to great effect to propel his Fascist agenda in 1920s Italy.  Hitler admired Mussolini's methods and adopted them into the 1930s Nazi propaganda machine. &quot;Flooding the zone with bullshit&quot; is not new.</p>
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