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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Regulations, even dumb ones, are the price we pay to live in a relatively civilized, first-world society. The Chinese, on the other hand, pay little attention to such frivolities. Projects can be greenlighted and completed very quickly, at a minimum cost. </p>
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<blockquote><p>But the downside is that you have to live in an authoritarian dictatorship without any regard for the environment or public sentiment. Being a dictatorship has its benefits that way. Like I said, tradeoffs.</p>
</blockquote><p>Increasingly it appears that the US is moving toward the latter, but without the public benefit of inexpensive, rapid, public transit.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;<em>Generally it's a good idea to have an environmental impact statement, public input, paying a living wage with benefits, building up to the highest standards, respecting property rights and many other things. But those things take a lot of time and can mean enormous extra costs. Sometimes such regulations are onerous and burdensome and dumb. But since there are an infinite number of variations, it's impossible to craft regulations to fit all contingencies. Regulations, even dumb ones, are the price we pay to live in a relatively civilized, first-world society. The Chinese, on the other hand, pay little attention to such frivolities</em>.&quot;</p>
<p>   I  can take  China out of the equation  and  say  Brightline could get  the job done a lot faster and  for less money. A lot of greed and grift is going on, or at least hyper-bureaucracy, not just safety regulations and property considerations, just as we are seeing  in the LAX peoplemover project.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>After agent orange leaves<br />
?? ??<br />
he is not leaving.</p>
</blockquote><p>Oh, don't be so sure. Have you seen his skin or ankles lately? He might be leaving the White House ... on a gurney.</p>
<p>The one I keep waiting to see keel over suddenly and leave this earthly realm behind is RFK, Jr. He looks worse than the Orange Mussolini.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
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Where else but in Government projects, especially in California, could you survive such utter incompetence without losing your job and being laughed out of town? <br />
The original cost for 494 miles of track between LA and SF was $33 Billion to be completed in 2020. The latest estimated cost is now between $89 to $128 Billion to be completed by 2033. Without a doubt these numbers will balloon astronomically in the next 5 or 10 years. The current plan is to try and open up 171 miles from Bakersfield to Merced by 2030. Not only will this never happen on time or on budget anyone who has traveled I-5 knows this is mainly agricultural land that has no want nor need for a bullet train. The current cost estimate is somewhere between $200 million and $300 million per mile. How funny is that?</p>
</blockquote><p>About as funny when Mexico builds a wall and pays for it. <img src="images/smilies/coolshades.gif" alt="B-)" title="cool" /></p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even the staunchest Progressives don't understand the astronomical fees, slow-motion construction and bureaucratic bullship. The Chinese would build it in a year.</p>
</blockquote><p>Actually we understand very well, much better than you think. But it's a tradeoff. Generally it's a good idea to have an environmental impact statement, public input, paying a living wage with benefits, building up to the highest standards, respecting property rights and many other things. But those things take a lot of time and can mean enormous extra costs. Sometimes such regulations are onerous and burdensome and dumb. But since there are an infinite number of variations, it's impossible to craft regulations to fit all contingencies. Regulations, even dumb ones, are the price we pay to live in a relatively civilized, first-world society. The Chinese, on the other hand, pay little attention to such frivolities. Projects can be greenlighted and completed very quickly, at a minimum cost. But the downside is that you have to live in an authoritarian dictatorship without any regard for the environment or public sentiment. Being a dictatorship has its benefits that way. Like I said, tradeoffs.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After agent orange leaves<br />
  ?? ??<br />
he is not leaving.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hope, living in Central California, was to take the bullet train to San Francisco or Los Angeles so that I could avoid connecting flights. Even better, my wife could take it to go visit her father in LA without involving me driving her down there!  You think waiting on that tarmac was bad, try LA traffic.  We can always dream but now my dream is to take the bullet train to Bakersfield 20 years from now if I’m still alive.  Now all you blues can blame agent orange for pulling funding on it and forcing that French Laundry guy to waste even more money fighting everything orange.  No matter which political side you are on, this is pretty messed up on both sides.  Don’t see it getting any better anytime soon.  After agent orange leaves, my guess is the French Laundry guy is next.  Lately it appears that both sides have become very efficient at finding the absolute worst candidate possible.  Maybe it’s time to join Rob in Mexico but now they don’t want us, that sounds oddly familiar.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
</blockquote><p>Where else but in Government projects, especially in California, could you survive such utter incompetence without losing your job and being laughed out of town? <br />
The original cost for 494 miles of track between LA and SF was $33 Billion to be completed in 2020. The latest estimated cost is now between $89 to $128 Billion to be completed by 2033. Without a doubt these numbers will balloon astronomically in the next 5 or 10 years. The current plan is to try and open up 171 miles from Bakersfield to Merced by 2030. Not only will this never happen on time or on budget anyone who has traveled I-5 knows this is mainly agricultural land that has no want nor need for a bullet train. The current cost estimate is somewhere between $200 million and $300 million per mile. How funny is that?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
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Is Felon 47 the comedian?</p>
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breaking news: Trump sues midalake for 10 billion dollars.</p>
</blockquote><p>LOL <img src="images/smilies/spectator.gif" alt=":popcorn:" title="enjoy the show" /></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
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Is Felon 47 the comedian?</p>
</blockquote><p>breaking news: Trump sues midalake for 10 billion dollars.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
</blockquote><p>Is Felon 47 the comedian?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
</blockquote><p>Yes, the bullet train in particular, not LA Metro. Even the staunchest Progressives don't understand the astronomical fees, slow-motion construction and bureaucratic bullship. The Chinese would build it in a year. Come to think of it, they built the old rails.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back here in California building a rail system is great material for comedians.</p>
</blockquote><p>Sadly, the project has been plagued by many different problems. Yet, the reasons for the system still remain and will only become more urgent in the coming decades. The major airports are overloaded. Having sat on the asphalt for three hours in the San Francisco airport waiting for a gate to deplane, I can personally attest to this problem. </p>
<p>In addition, for those who believe the science, know that rail is far less polluting than air travel and car travel and should be faster when implemented. For those who believe that climate change is a Chinese/Democratic hoax perpetrated by Enemies of the People who drink blood in the basement of a pizza restaurant in Washington D.C., please enjoy the great material from comedians.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Los Angeles rail is bouncing back after 50 years of dormancy, ie the demise of the Red Car. Now they are retrofitting old routes that should never have been abandoned (hello GM) and it is not cheap. The timeline up to 2060 is pretty impressive. There is a civilizing element indeed, in the car-saturated city where even the Missing Persons noted nobody walks in LA.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real good book about the development of Mexican railways is “The Civilizing Machine: A Cultural History of Mexican Railroads, 1876-1910” by  Michael Matthews . I read it in Kindle over the last year and really enjoyed it. Not exactly a compelling beach read - the title is accurate - but very interesting. In Canada the railway also intended to unite the Country but from East to West. I want to a Mexican choo choo!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trains from Lazaro inland are extremely busy, lots of cargo being carried.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's a good plan. The destruction of part of the forest in Yucatán is lamentable, and it's possible irreparable damage was done, but at the same time, new archaeological sites were discovered, thousands of local people are benefitting from jobs and easier contact with the outside world, and it's a way to move both people and cargo at lower cost while removing some traffic from the highways. I hope the railway is eventually extended to our region, a plan Porfirio Díaz had that was never completed due to a little Revolución.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.mexperience.com/passenger-trains-comeback-in-mexico/">https://www.mexperience.com/passenger-trains-comeback-in-mexico/</a></p>
<p>Passenger trains are  coming back to Mexico. All  aboard!</p>
<p>The first railway in Mexico was inaugurated between the port of Veracruz and El Molino in 1850. The initial segment, spanning 11.5 km, was built to standard gauge (1435mm). This line was a precursor to the more extensive network that would later connect Veracruz to Mexico City...<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Mexico#/media/File:HistoricalRailMapMexico.jpg">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Mexico#/media/File:HistoricalRailMapMexico.jpg</a></p>
<p>Fast forward to the 21st century. Low-cost airlines fly all over the country, interstate buses come equipped with toilets and movies, and long-distance passenger rail is beginning to make a comeback.</p>
<p>The idea began with the administration of President Enrique Peña Nieto (2012-2018), who had plans for a bullet-train from Mexico City to Querétaro, including a future extension to Guadalajara, a trans-peninsular passenger train joining the Yucatán state capital city of Mérida with the popular tourist region of Riviera Maya, and a train from Mexico City to the State of Mexico capital Toluca.</p>
<p>From the outset the projects were criticized as being unprofitable, which they evidently would be, but that wasn’t the point: the plan was to reignite the rail industry and recreate a modern high-speed passenger train network capable of reducing travel times along what have become highly congested highways and give passengers more choice in travel.</p>
<p>President Claudia Sheinbaum, who took office on Oct. 1, 2024, took up the baton and intends to continue expanding passenger rail service. Her government has resumed plans for a Mexico City-to-Querétaro train —but not a bullet train— and others in different parts of the country.</p>
<p>They include completion of the Tren Maya, the Mexico City-Querétaro project, the Interoceanic line crossing the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, several lines to the new Mexico City airport at Santa Lucía (including a stop on a new Mexico-to-Pachuca route), and others from Mexico City to Nuevo Laredo on the U.S. border, and Querétaro to Irapuato.</p>
<p>Just as the Tequila Train returns<br />
<a href="https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250523-the-return-of-mexicos-famous-tequila-express-train">https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250523-the-return-of-mexicos-famous-tequila-express-train</a></p>
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