Just curious...how many diehard MAGAs do you know who have any desire to visit México, let alone Zihuatanejo?

The Trump supporters I talk with are convinced they'll be robbed, kidnapped and/or murdered if they set one foot across the border.

Up here in the frozen north, I discovered that one of my co-workers had lived for a number of years in Los Angeles. I said "Oh, lucky. You must have visited Mexico many times."
She looked at me like I was an idiot, saying: "No. Why would I do that?"

See ya jimmy Kimmel.

I did Nazi that coming.

I read what you wrote very slowly. Did you read the citations very slowly about Trudeau’s mandates?

Yes, thank you for providing the non-paywalled link.

Again, there was no “truckers’ mandate”. There was consistent application of cross border requirements that applied to anyone entering Canada. Truck drivers under federal jurisdiction had temporarily been exempted from the requirements.

As of January 15, 2022 they were treated the same as others entering Canada. That is not some kind of “truckers’ mandate” it is consistent application of the law.

The mandate, which took effect on Jan. 15, states that all Canadian cross-border essential workers — including truckers — must show proof of vaccination at a port of entry to avoid stringent testing requirements and quarantine.

Those rules have been in effect for the travelling public since the fall. Truckers travelling within Canada are not affected by these new measures.

The government announced the cross-border vaccine policy on Nov. 19 and, after some confusion, the policy took effect on Jan. 15.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-mandate-double-down-convoy-1.6326821

Regarding the silencing of Jimmy Kimmel, Americans would be wise to re-read what Martin Niemöller said.

Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2021/10/06/prime-minister-announces-mandatory-vaccination-federal-workforce-and

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/trudeau-set-to-detail-vaccine-mandate-for-air-and-rail-travelers

Respectfully, what you say is incorrect. Not that this point is going to change your perspective on anything but yes, Trudeau did issue vaccine mandates.

I read what you wrote very slowly. Did you read the citations very slowly about Trudeau’s mandates?

See ya jimmy Kimmel.

The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.

I am pleased to inform our many U.S.A. Patriots that I am designating ANTIFA, A SICK, DANGEROUS, RADICAL LEFT DISASTER, AS A MAJOR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION,” Trump wrote. “I will also be strongly recommending that those funding ANTIFA be thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”

And here we have it. There is no “organization” known as antifa. So the US government will be able to just label anyone they dislike as being antifa. Watch out Jimmy Kimmel.

@ZihuaRx did not provide sources. They simply cut-and-pasted the unexamined output of some software. It you want to see real sources, read my previous posting that provided them.

I see that you are backing away from your previous, unfounded allegation that Trudeau exercised some kind of American Presidential Executive Order that is not provided for in the Canadian constitution. You continue to show your ignorance of Canadian governance by saying that the Emergencies Act allowed parliament to take actions. The Act authorizes actions by the Governor in Council, subject to review by Parliament.

Now you advance the disinformation that the brief freezing of bank account s was taken against Canadians who had “donated to the Freedom Truckers protest”. The truth is that accounts of Canadians who had donated were not frozen. The only accounts that were affected were those where donations were made after the proclaiming of the Regulations pursuant to the Act.

The Emergencies Act was invoked only weeks after a relatively small number of Canadians with large trucks made life unbearable for many more Canadians and interfered with local businesses.

I suspect that Trudeau, like most Canadians, didn’t care whether any of those so adversely affecting other Canadians were vaccinated. No one in Canada was forcing them to do so. The only adverse affect on Canadian truckers was that the US government would not permit unvaccinated truckers to enter the US. Unvaccinated Canadian truckers could continue to work anywhere in Canada and unvaccinated Canadian truckers already in the US could cross freely back into Canada.

Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.

Under the Canadian constitution matters related to health, including vaccination, are under provincial authority, not federal authority.

One of the slogans of the Party in 1984 is,

Ignorance is strength

If that were true, there would be some very strong people posting here on this topic.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2021/10/06/prime-minister-announces-mandatory-vaccination-federal-workforce-and

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/trudeau-set-to-detail-vaccine-mandate-for-air-and-rail-travelers

Respectfully, what you say is incorrect. Not that this point is going to change your perspective on anything but yes, Trudeau did issue vaccine mandates.

TRUMP: “You know, we’ve cut drug prices by 1,200, 1,300, 1,400, 1,500%. I don’t mean 50%, I mean 14 — 1,500%.”

In 1984 Winston Smith says,

In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it.

Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.

This is false. Cutting drug prices by more than 100% would theoretically mean that people are being paid to take medications. The Trump administration has taken steps to lower prescription drug prices, but experts say there’s no indication costs have seen such a massive drop.

Geoffrey Joyce, director of health policy at the University of Southern California’s Schaeffer Center, called Trump’s claim “total fiction” made up by the Republican president. He agreed that it would amount to drug companies paying customers, rather than the other way around.

Yet we can expect those purveyors of misinformation and disinformation here will support Trump’s “alternative facts” on this and every other distortion up to and including that ‘two plus two made five”.

I see that you are backing away from your previous, unfounded allegation that Trudeau exercised some kind of American Presidential Executive Order that is not provided for in the Canadian constitution. You continue to show your ignorance of Canadian governance by saying that the Emergencies Act allowed parliament to take actions. The Act authorizes actions by the Governor in Council, subject to review by Parliament.

Now you advance the disinformation that the brief freezing of bank account s was taken against Canadians who had “donated to the Freedom Truckers protest”. The truth is that accounts of Canadians who had donated were not frozen. The only accounts that were affected were those where donations were made after the proclaiming of the Regulations pursuant to the Act.

The Emergencies Act was invoked only weeks after a relatively small number of Canadians with large trucks made life unbearable for many more Canadians and interfered with local businesses.

I suspect that Trudeau, like most Canadians, didn’t care whether any of those so adversely affecting other Canadians were vaccinated. No one in Canada was forcing them to do so. The only adverse affect on Canadian truckers was that the US government would not permit unvaccinated truckers to enter the US. Unvaccinated Canadian truckers could continue to work anywhere in Canada and unvaccinated Canadian truckers already in the US could cross freely back into Canada.

Importantly, those disrupting Ottawa, and their apologists, including you, ignore the fact that the Canadian federal government had no covid vaccination mandates. . Read that again slowly.

Under the Canadian constitution matters related to health, including vaccination, are under provincial authority, not federal authority.

One of the slogans of the Party in 1984 is,

Ignorance is strength

If that were true, there would be some very strong people posting here on this topic.

If you're just going to rather rudely ignore what someone took the time to research and list sources for that debunks your comments, then continue to make the same comments ignoring what was provided, I frankly don't see the utility of having any further engagement with you here. This isn't your personal sounding board. You're welcome to participate and interact in discussions, and if you have any, offer useful information, but not to waste other people's time and resources.

At the time of the incident you refer to, truckers were endangering other people's health by denying the science and not getting vaccinated and traveling great distances when the world needed to try to contain the spread of a disease it still didn't fully understand at the time. They were imitating what MAGAt anti-vaxxers were doing in the States, and if I recall correctly they received funding from MAGAt anti-vaxxers. Trudeau did the right thing. To call that dictatorship is to demonstrate your ignorance of the word.

Little Marco orange-nose, besides blowing innocent people out of the water to make MAGAt snuff films, wants to take away the passports of U.S. citizens and deny entry into the country of anyone who criticized the racist assh0le who was shot and killed in Utah last week. THAT'S what a dictatorship does. If you deny the obvious dictatorship qualities of the current regime in the USA while ascribing them to Trudeau for trying to SAVE LIVES, then you're simply living inside your head and not in the real world.

Ah, c'mon, Rob. Tell us how you really feel about the MAGA mutant.

Personally, I am racking my brain trying to understand how decent people can avoid, make excuses for, equivocate, deny, obfuscate, etc. the gravity of the situation where a white supremacist, morally bankrupt, cruel, vindicative, corrupt, sick, narcissistic, pussy-grabbing rapist pedofile has been elevated to the one of the most powerful positions in the world.

"This country is so fundamentally strong it can survive its leaders." -- Louis Rukeyser

Louis Rukeyser was a fixture on PBS for over 30 years. He was educating the common folk about the benefits of investing long before cable and the Internet. He said this in the early 2000's as the Bush Adminstration was hurtling us into a disastrous war of choice based on lies of weapons of mass destruction. He passed away in 2006. I am hanging on by a thread to these precious words. May God help us.

Oh, by the way, speaking of 1984, the second half of the title of this thread. I recently reread it after literally 50 years. It was even more terrifying than I remembered. We iz sooo skrewed! (Psst. Read Animal Farm first. They are both fairly quick reads.)

I can't believe people think AI such as ChatGP is some kind of definitive source. AI tells you what it thinks you want to hear. Little Guy listed the chain of events with actual sources, while all you do is cite a computer program that's trying to provide you with answers you'll like, though not necessarily correct or factual answers, so you'll continue using it.

Nice work ZihuaRx for standing up for the truth and providing sources for his claims that this forum seems to overlook.

I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.

The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.

Trudeau did this Trump did not. Peace and God bless.

If you're just going to rather rudely ignore what someone took the time to research and list sources for that debunks your comments, then continue to make the same comments ignoring what was provided, I frankly don't see the utility of having any further engagement with you here. This isn't your personal sounding board. You're welcome to participate and interact in discussions, and if you have any, offer useful information, but not to waste other people's time and resources.

At the time of the incident you refer to, truckers were endangering other people's health by denying the science and not getting vaccinated and traveling great distances when the world needed to try to contain the spread of a disease it still didn't fully understand at the time. They were imitating what MAGAt anti-vaxxers were doing in the States, and if I recall correctly they received funding from MAGAt anti-vaxxers. Trudeau did the right thing. To call that dictatorship is to demonstrate your ignorance of the word.

Little Marco orange-nose, besides blowing innocent people out of the water to make MAGAt snuff films, wants to take away the passports of U.S. citizens and deny entry into the country of anyone who criticized the racist assh0le who was shot and killed in Utah last week. THAT'S what a dictatorship does. If you deny the obvious dictatorship qualities of the current regime in the USA while ascribing them to Trudeau for trying to SAVE LIVES, then you're simply living inside your head and not in the real world.

I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.

Oh Surfdude. C'mon.

1. When comparing dictators you have to consider their body of work in its entirety, not just a slice of one issue. I don't know much about Canadian politics so I can't comment on what Trudeau did specifically, but if I remember correctly he never incited an insurrection against his own government, and then pardoned all involved; nor did he illegally unleash secret police to snatch brown people, including nannies and gardeners, off the streets and deport them to hellhole prisons overseas without a shred of due process; and I don't remember him trying to extort money from allegedly disloyal corporations, media giants and universities who refused to do his unconstitutional bidding; and I don't think he ever dispatched military troops to city streets on ginned up flimsy excuses to solve problems that don't exist. Who's the dictator now? Strike 1.

2. We have been using the SARS vaccine for many years with great effect, and COVID is in the same SARS family. As I understand it, because the two are nearly identical, all it took to develop the COVID vaccine was to swap out a small slice of DNA from the SARS vaccine and replace it with DNA from COVID. No need to reinvent the wheel here. That's why Trump, working day and night by himself in the lab in the White House basement, was able to develop it so quickly, taking full credit for himself ("I alone developed the COVID vaccine" ). And it was tested on 44,000 volunteers before it was approved, proving safe and effective, thereby saving millions of lives. Strike 2.

3. No scientist or medical professional (and no responsible politician) EVER said that the vaccine would "stop you from getting COVID". What they did say was that the vaccine would greatly improve your chances of avoiding it, and almost certainly keep you from a long hospital stay. (Unlike Trump and Fox, scientists and medical professionals deal in probabilities, not in certainties, always hedging to an extent. It's their stock in trade.) Bet Newsmax didn't mention any of that. Steerike 3! Game over!

I can't believe people think AI such as ChatGP is some kind of definitive source. AI tells you what it thinks you want to hear. Little Guy listed the chain of events with actual sources, while all you do is cite a computer program that's trying to provide you with answers you'll like, though not necessarily correct or factual answers, so you'll continue using it.

Nice work ZihuaRx for standing up for the truth and providing sources for his claims that this forum seems to overlook.

I made a brief statement that Trudeau is more of a dictator than president Trump so I guess I need to clarify the details. Trudeau implemented the Emergencies Act to allow their parliament to freeze the bank accounts of Canadian citizens who donated to the Freedom Truckers protest for not wanting to take an experimental vaccine that didn’t stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.

The US equivalent would be Trump freezing bank accounts of US citizens who donated to the BLM riot movement.

Trudeau did this Trump did not. Peace and God bless.

from Chat GPT:

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Do you even read the caution when you use ChatGPT? It tells you,

“ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info.”

And do you care about the warnings by Nick Turley?

Don’t use ChatGPT for …, says head of ChatGPT Nick Turley in an important ‘warning’ to users

If you’ve ever asked ChatGPT to explain a tough concept, summarize an article, or even draft a quick report, you know how convincing the answers sound. But here’s the catch: convincing isn’t always correct.

Nick Turley, the head of ChatGPT at OpenAI, recently issued a straightforward warning — don’t rely on ChatGPT as your only source of truth. Even with GPT-5, the most advanced version yet, the technology still gets things wrong. In his words, ChatGPT “should be used as a second opinion.”

You provided some machine-generated response based on low-level writing intended for general audiences that don’t understand, and might not care to understand, how parliamentary democracy works or how specific legislation is designed.

I provided source documents.

One of my coffee mugs has an admonition,

“Computers should work; people should think.”

More people should think rather than relying on computers to think for them.

Also, David Vigneault, the head of CSIS, advised Trudeau that invoking the Act was required, though he noted the protest didn’t meet CSIS’s legal threshold for a threat — his advice was based on a broader interpretation under the Emergencies Act.

Please, let's not change history otherwise sometime down the road we may elect another Trudeau....I'm not sure if the country can take it.

Trudeau froze the bank accounts of truck drivers who didn’t take the Covid vaccine…

That is total bs. I am not going to bother proving that this is a lie but it is a lie.

I also am always sure to remind her that I will pay for her plane fare, hotel accommodations, and food when she wants to accompany me on my next visit to Zihuanatejo. So far, she has not taken me up on my offer. Pity.

I'll take u up on that offer, I could B your grandfather!

Ah, that would make you approximately 115 years old, give or take a few years. Of course, you could have been one of Jeffrey and Donny's friends on the Magic Island and your "massage therapist" was all of 14 years of age. Then you might be a young 96.