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<title>Greivences and a little background of Ayotzinapa (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, thanks so much for the info. I had wondered if these students were among those who demand jobs without examinations, etc. Of course, nothing justifies what happened to them. But this is good info to have.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Greivences and a little background of Ayotzinapa (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't speak to all their grievances, but among them have been demands for guaranteed immediate placement as teachers upon graduation and refusal to be subjected to competency testing. Their most frequent and recurring demands for way too many years for which they repeatedly close highways and extort or ask for money from drivers have been for more money and better services for their school including better meal plans. They commonly steal buses and vehicles to transport themselves to their protests, although in the most recent episode in Iguala I believe they were allowed to contract buses (I don't know if they actually paid anything) in exchange for promising not to harm the buses or their drivers.</p>
<p>These schools, known as &quot;normales rurales&quot;, were established during the presidency of Lázaro Cárdenas (1936-1940). There were originally 36 of these schools established around the country. Today I believe only 16 of them remain in operation, 9 here in the state of Guerrero, including the Escuela Normal Rural &quot;Raúl Isidro Burgos&quot; de Ayotzinapa. The schools select their students from among the indigenous populations of the region, the most important requirement simply being having extremely limited economic resources.</p>
<p>Perhaps they once actually fulfilled their established function, but in recent decades the quality of education in Guerrero has become the poorest in the nation, and as most parents in our state know, our children have simply not been receiving anything close to a decent education from the teachers we have, which include among them graduates from these types of schools.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Student Radicals (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was not implying the students were to blame for what happened. I would just like to know their grievances. Other posters have helped in that regard. As for the pohleese and gangs allegedly involved, I wouldn't dignify the word 'radical' by applying it to them.</p>
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<p>¡Gracias!</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been checkpoints on roads, military, federale and agricultural for as long as we have been travelling in Mexico...about 17 years.  This is not new.  We are so used to it, that I can't even say if we think it is MORE now than it was years ago.  We are nearly always waved on, but we have been stopped many times over the years- especially when we were travelling in our RV.  Mostly the young guys at the checkpoints just wanted to look inside!</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time we were on 200 (in May) there were checkpoints along the road (I believe both federal and state). And there were some vigilante checkpoints at some of the small villages as well. But we were always waved through.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Th e last time we were on the toll road there were Federal Police and Military troops all along the road- they were not all at the toll booths.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  Stay on the cuotas and off the back roads- anywhere.  If you are coming down the coast, you won't be anywhere near Iguala.  Nor will you have the option of a cuota...mex 200 is the only coastal road.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 18:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Route (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plan on taking 15 D to 37D down to 200 and in ?</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 18:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="images/smilies/like.png" alt=":megusta:" title="Me gusta" /> True.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally the toll road is fine between Patzquaro and the Coast.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are actually coming down the coast -- rather than inland -- you should be fine. Stay off the back roads.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any sugestions of a safer route to  take in the next two weeks if coming down the coast . Thanks</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so sad. My heart goes out to his family <br />
and the Zihuatanejo community. Kim</p>
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<title>very sad news (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there are going to be demonstrations all over the country tomorrow in repudiation of the massacre. </p>
<p>Also, we are hopeful the governor is going to resign because he is the one who by acts of omission allowed the criminals to take control and give orders in Iguala where the Mando Único was not implemented.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>very sad news (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not see the demonstration, but I had read that he was from Zihuatanejo. Very sad news.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Today's New York Times has a front page article on this story. You can read it on-line at nytimes.com  CNN also has a story, including an account by a survivor from the soccer team. I thought he was incredibly brave to say what he did.</p>
</blockquote><p>The soccer player who was killed on the way back from playing a game was from Zihuatanejo. His name was Daniel Solís Gallardo. Maybe you saw the demonstration at the Cancha Municipal Saturday before last by his family, friends, neighbors and concerned citizens.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's New York Times has a front page article on this story. You can read it on-line at nytimes.com  CNN also has a story, including an account by a survivor from the soccer team. I thought he was incredibly brave to say what he did.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
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<title>Guerrero de luto (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mourn for all who are affected by this senseless violence, and especially for the families of the victims.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
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<title>Guerrero de luto (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh this is just horrible. I am so sorry for you and everyone else who is suffering.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Guerrero de luto (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be in prayer for the citizens of Guerrero.  My husband's cousin was among those shot by the police.  He was running away when he was shot in the head.  He is in a hospital in a coma now.  Needless to say, the family is devastated.  They are very poor, and were so proud that he was getting an education.  Just 1 week earlier, my husband's brother was murdered.  He lived south of Mexico City.  So sad.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>2thfaree</dc:creator>
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<title>Guerrero Synopsis (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mexicogulfreporter.com/2014/09/mexicos-guerrero-state-in-extreme-civil.html">http://www.mexicogulfreporter.com/2014/09/mexicos-guerrero-state-in-extreme-civil.html</a></p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Student Radicals (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not implying the students were to blame for what happened. I would just like to know their grievances. Other posters have helped in that regard. As for the pohleese and gangs allegedly involved, I wouldn't dignify the word 'radical' by applying it to them.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not mean to imply anything about English. Our friend told us that too many students were studying the languages wanting to be teachers and you know the corruption in trying to become a teacher in Mexico. You have all these students graduating with a degree in languages and no job potential. We have the same problem in the States with the Liberal Arts degrees and the college debt. When my son and daughter-in-law graduated they were over $100,000 in debt. He got a law degree and she a nursing degree from the University of Iowa- at least they are able to pay their debt off for he is a FBI agent in Chicago and she is a part time nurse in a OB ward at a hospital in the Chicago area.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Paulf</dc:creator>
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<title>bad news out of Guerrero (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This was when the students were rioting over the government changing the college requirement to graduate. Like in the States getting a liberal arts degree. So many were studying dead native languages and there were no need for that degree.</p>
</blockquote><p>Paul, that's not quite right. The students did NOT want to learn English but instead wanted to continue studying Nahuatl and Purépecha which are nowhere near being &quot;dead&quot; languages as some descendents of pure Spanish blood would like for them to be.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 13:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Guerrero de luto (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guerrero is in a state of mourning. Not a person in the state isn't outraged by this cold-blooded massacre of students from some of the poorest families. I'm not even outraged that some of the students firebombed the Governor's offices as I normally would be. The last thing we need right now are self-serving politicians saying anything to try to save their skins. The responsible parties need to do the right thing and simply resign.</p>
<p>Guerrero has been under the rule of narco-gangs for way too many years thanks to corrupt officials and inept police forces who have never taken their jobs seriously. The governors and mayors and other &quot;public servants&quot; only simulate their jobs and enrich themselves and serve themselves a heaping helpful of our public funds while being accomplices to the organized criminals against whom they have done nothing. Guerrero is currently the worst state in the nation in this respect. Such a dichotomy! Some of the humblest, warmest friendliest people in the world in such a beautiful setting under the yoke of some of the most unscrupulous, corrupt and morally bereft political leaders and their henchmen this side of the Atlantic.</p>
<p>And we put tourist resorts in it and expect people to come while we smile politely.</p>
<p>I believe most of us in Guerrero are going to be calling for the resignation of the governor whose blatant dereliction of duty has allowed the state to slip into its darkest moment. I also believe most of us expect and hope that the federal government will now finally step in and assume control of public security similar (but hopefully better) to what they did in our neighboring state of Michoacán and impose law and order in our state!</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 13:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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