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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Discussions about what that burden is, is academic to me and I have NEVER gone in the surf in Principal, Madera or La Ropa for over the 8 yeas of my visiting Zhia. Los Gatos is cleaner.....</p>
</blockquote><p>Not according to the last reports I recall seeing, which surprised a lot of folks and contradicted widely-held beliefs. Las Gatas came in on par with La Madera, and the pollution figures at both were significantly higher than the two spots at La Ropa where readings were taken.<br />
Of course some argue that none of the readings are credible anyway, for all sorts of nefarious reasons.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the uninformed or misinformed will tred on thin ice- for a while!</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct Sir, in your appraisal of the bay water situation. The bay is LESS polluted right now because it is the dry season. During the rainy season the canal and all effluent from the mountain, the streets and the overflowing sewer lines? or the storm drains(these drain line covers in the streets pop-up) and the water flows from these directly down the street and into town, the canal and out into the bay. If it is not sewer, it still stinks and it is from the untreated mountain effluent.</p>
<p>Similar to Puerto Vallarta 40 years ago where the sewer flooding into streets made a smell so bad it was impossible not to gag. They have corrected that problem for the most part and Zhia needs to do the same. It is not rocket science that the bay is polluted and the e. coli burden and possibly hepatitis contamination is HIGH and I for one one do NOT need an analysis to determine degree of the burden. IT IS TOO MUCH whatever the burden level is! Especially in the wet season!</p>
<p>Discussions about what that burden is, is academic to me and I have NEVER gone in the surf in Principal, Madera or La Ropa for over the 8 yeas of my visiting Zhia. Los Gatos is cleaner, but the whole bay is polluted to some degree. No shellfish should be gathered in the bay, and I believe oysters are harvested from the sea- not the bay. Or at least they should NOT be harvested from the bay. If you like hepatitis, then eat oysters from the bay as there is a potential for contracting that specific disease by eating shellfish from contaminated waters.</p>
<p>Now all the nay sayers jump in and dispute me. The facts are the facts and you can argue about the percentage of contamination, whether it is advisable to swim in these areas or not. It is irrelevant to me- I do NOT swim where I know the pollution is concentrated.</p>
<p>Make your decision where you will swim and I will do likewise. To each their own and more power to ya. Swim where you like. Go to La Ropa and look around. Perhaps you will observe what I have seen and be better able to make a value judgement based on your observations there and elsewhere.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Stephen Stills wrote,  &quot;Paranoia runs deep,  Into your heart it will creep!&quot;</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, the retail and the restaurants are not giving the tourists what they want, what does a tourist want on their vacation--an unforgettable experience---period!</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite frankly, the water quality issue will always come up from time to time as unfortunately, not like in some other countries/vacation areas, proper testing has not been done in a very long time. So people will guess and sometimes it is educated guesses that may be close to the truth but not always. For one thing, the fact that some folks swim there and are fine doesn't mean much and is purely anecdotal. Plenty of people have been having issues from skin to respiratory issues related possibly to water quality levels. One thing that is not open for debate is the water is not the same quality today that it was 30 years ago. We can't eat the oysters/shells from the bay like I used to do. Some of the beaches are better than others in Zihua and some likely still fine, especially if you take basic precautions like washing after coming out from swimming and making sure not to drink any of that ocean water. The color of the water is not always a good indicator of water quality. Foam on the beach is not necessarily a sign a pollution. But without regular and properly done testing, you can't really tell. But it is a fact that the city waste is not properly handled and a lot of it end up in the bay. As well, run off from the hills during heavy rains brings a lot of pollution in the bay as well. Being a bay has it's own set of problems and benefits. I still love the town, it's people and the views. I'm not an ocean swimmer and quite fine with my pool at the hotel but really wish the city waste problem gets taken care of finally as there is no denying that if the water is still ok now it won't be for long at the rate things are going...</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AI's are not going away, the local business have to not try and compete with them, offer more service  good prices an experience. </p>
<p>When Walmart came to Canada some tried to compete and failed, some chose to offer what Walmart could not supply and that was service, service service, good products at a fair price. The AI's have all the free food, same old, day in and day out, watered down drinks etc etc</p>
<p>Come on Ixtapa and zihua retailers and restaurants show the tourists how Mexico really is. After all a tourist is looking for an experience and a good one that they can share with friends and family.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks for jumping in with the pile and branding me with your judgements from a previous year Lady M! Very welcoming of you!<img src="images/smilies/omg.gif" alt=":omg:" title="oh my goodness" />  I believe it was a post of Robs from many months ago that i recall mentioning Z being one of the most polluted beaches in Mexico. I may have misread it. Sorry. <br />
I repeat - I love the area and the many friendships I have formed there since i have been coming for 10 years now. Many of the  families i know have been there for generations and they have told me that they no longer go in the bay and that it's very polluted,  so my sources aren't entirely without merit...ok cue the hounds , jump !</p>
</blockquote><p>Sorry, Sea Swirl Girl. I tell it like I see it. And my 40+ years coming here have no merit on whether someone is telling the truth or not.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>LadyM in Zihua</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for jumping in with the pile and branding me with your judgements from a previous year Lady M! Very welcoming of you!<img src="images/smilies/omg.gif" alt=":omg:" title="oh my goodness" />  I believe it was a post of Robs from many months ago that i recall mentioning Z being one of the most polluted beaches in Mexico. I may have misread it. Sorry. <br />
 I repeat - I love the area and the many friendships I have formed there since i have been coming for 10 years now. Many of the  families i know have been there for generations and they have told me that they no longer go in the bay and that it's very polluted,  so my sources aren't entirely without merit...ok cue the hounds , jump !</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Sea Swirl Girl</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSH.  Hey Hey goodbye.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks Paul ...i would love to believe you but frankly  It's very confusing ! People say it's clean however at other times say it's one of the most polluted areas of Mexico! I don't see how those can both be true ? The water in the bay looks very murky and  brown . The waste ,sewage and runoff flow into it . Who knows what dumping goes on by boats and cruise ships etc. I am having a hard time believing the clean part !</p>
</blockquote><p>You were very negative when you posted here a lot last year. If you don't want to come here, no one will think bad of you. Just do not say you do not believe people who are here and know what they are talking about. AND in my opinion it has never been one of the most polluted areas of Mexico. Political BS should not be added into this equation and I believe that is what was happening when there were terrible readings. Or they did not know what they were doing in the first place. Opinions and all that stuff.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>LadyM in Zihua</dc:creator>
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<title>If you want to know water quality-- (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labrat i meant cruise ships whenever not just this season. Im sure you get my drift. Hopefully my comments wont always be cut up by the same folks... Don't kill the messenger , its just my opinion and several of my friends who are going elsewhere and have said basically the same thing .<br />
I dont live in the USA nor am i going to travel to Zihua to conduct water samples but thanks for the suggestion.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Sea Swirl Girl</dc:creator>
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<title>If you want to know water quality-- (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get a small strong container and sterilize it with boiling water. Then take a sample of the water-maybe ankle/knee depth. Screw the lid on tight on the container.</p>
<p>Then find a way to get it to U.S. Almost any County Health Dept can have it analyzed and give you a report, then you will know for sure.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Gringo Viejo</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul ...i would love to believe you but frankly  It's very confusing ! People say it's clean however at other times say it's one of the most polluted areas of Mexico! I don't see how those can both be true ? The water in the bay looks very murky and  brown . The waste ,sewage and runoff flow into it . Who knows what dumping goes on by boats and cruise ships etc. I am having a hard time believing the clean part !</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Sea Swirl Girl</dc:creator>
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<title>a question (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mexican tourism is the one that carries a lot of places.<br />
My friends in San Miguel Allende indicate that their restaurants<br />
survive thanks to the Mexican tourist.</p>
<p>I guess that most of the foreign tourism goes to Cabo, Puerto Vallarta<br />
and Cancun.  Cabo San Lucas (aka Cabo) is interesting because if I go there, I would<br />
be a minority, being Mexicano.  But if I just go to San Jose del Cabo, it<br />
is a small nice Mexican town.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I must say you are mistaken.  Apart from Playa Principal,  The water at the rest of the beaches (La Madera,La Ropa, Las Gatas) is just fine.  I go swimming every day and have never had a problem.  I think you are the victim of some bad information!  Don't give up on Zihua because of that!</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Quadra Paul</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love z for the people! I also truly cherish the friends i have made there and that which is traditional, food,  the old markets,  the old time wandering musicians....but i have very limited funds and must keep my trip , if i can save enough to take one , to a tight budget and more importantly I love to swim. My growing sense is that the bay  is Z  is just getting too polluted and my body doesn't feel inclined to spending a lot of time in the water there anymore. Last year i bused to Barra where at least with open ocean and the stronger current it seems cleaner but it was a little too rough to actually swim much. So sadly I am feeling more inclined to find another place to travel to where the water is cleaner! It breaks my heart because in every other way Z has captured my heart. I wish so badly that it could be cleaner and i would return in a heartbeat. Others i know who have been coming to Z and now going elsewhere are telling me the exact same thing. <img src="images/smilies/sad.gif" alt=":-(" title="sad" /></p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Sea Swirl Girl</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure! <img src="images/smilies/vacation.gif" alt=":vacation:" title="on vacation" /></p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y'ur on for a drink- you know me!  Ha, Ha, back at ya!</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>a question (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>&quot;But we don't just have a 4-month tourist season. That 4 months you refer to that is simply one of our tourist seasons. We also have a 2-month summer tourist season, and pretty much year round weekend tourism. Most of our business actually has little to nothing to do with foreign tourist season. More money is typically spent here in the 4 weeks comprising Xmas/NY and Semana Santa/Semana de Pascua than during the 4 months foreign tourists are here.&quot;</em></p>
<p>Really?  Is it true that more money is spent by National tourists during the Xmas/NY and Samana Santa holidays than <em>any </em>other time of the year?  I'm not doubting you.  Just wondering if it is really true.  From what I've seen in my years here, the busloads of tourists don't spend much dinero when they're here.  If so, who is spending all of that money, and where, during the 4 holiday weeks you are referring to.  Am I totally missing another class of National tourist that is not visible to me here in Zihua during the holidays?</p>
</blockquote><p>I've reviewed the data a number of times over the past 15 years or so, though at the moment I don't really feel like downloading and poring through Sectur's most recent stats (you're certainly welcome to do so in the DataTur section of their website). The sheer number of national tourists overwhelms the numbers of foreigners. Last year 5,427,351 Mexicans visited Guerrero, while during the same period only 207,710 foreigners did, so for foreigners to spend more than Mexicans each foreigner would have to spend each day about the same amount as 26 Mexicans. It just ain't happening.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&quot;But we don't just have a 4-month tourist season. That 4 months you refer to that is simply one of our tourist seasons. We also have a 2-month summer tourist season, and pretty much year round weekend tourism. Most of our business actually has little to nothing to do with foreign tourist season. More money is typically spent here in the 4 weeks comprising Xmas/NY and Semana Santa/Semana de Pascua than during the 4 months foreign tourists are here.&quot;</em></p>
<p>Really?  Is it true that more money is spent by National tourists during the Xmas/NY and Samana Santa holidays than <em>any </em>other time of the year?  I'm not doubting you.  Just wondering if it is really true.  From what I've seen in my years here, the busloads of tourists don't spend much dinero when they're here.  If so, who is spending all of that money, and where, during the 4 holiday weeks you are referring to.  Am I totally missing another class of National tourist that is not visible to me here in Zihua during the holidays?</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the invite. Too bad I don't know who you are! Haha!<img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="wink" /></p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, why reinvent the wheel? When I had a business at one of the entrances to Yellowstone we used to meet with the C of C of other entrances to exchange ideas. Always paid off for everyone involved even the small town mayor/council.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Gringo Viejo</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're not going to find anything like that along the shores of Lake Michigan in the summertime.</p>
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