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Setting all the politics aside, can anyone give me an accurate estimate about how many shooting deaths have occurred in ZIH in the past month? We have been coming to ZIH for 10 years, staying in Madera, etc. All has been well in the past, but now we are quite concerned.

We don't care about dogs, who to blame about what government is responsible, etc. We just want to get an accurate picture of shooting incidents, deaths etc. (bystanders or intended targets)in the last month.

Our joy in coming to ZIH centers around giving presents to children as we pass by, and the festivals in December.

Thanks so much.

Mork

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What a relevant question...

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If you put the email option along with your post, you might get some responses. Otherwise, read the online newspapers that Rob lists.

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Why does this relevant question need to be answered privately and not here on the board where all can find out?

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I suggest you read the local newspaper articles. Links are provided in other threads on this board. Or, you may email me.

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http://www.abyznewslinks.com/mexic.htm
Many papers English and Spanish

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This up tick reminds me of a dark time when hand grenades were being tossed over the walls at city hall and the police station.

No matter what small disconnect is happening right now in the scheme of things it is very small and DOES NOT include tourists targets.

I have just been home one week from Z. There were plenty of Marine patrols and the groups of federal police vehicles were making rounds as well.

Give them sometime to flush the turds out and Z will be the peaceful place for all come January. Hopefully October too ;-)

D

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Happy to say I am feeling relaxed and content, just as I normally do when in Zihua.

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Thank you Mork for asking an obvious question. I share your concern and perspective exactly, and I too need accurate info to make my travel decisions. See my response to a later post from Katherine.

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I can't answer your question for you. I haven't kept count of the shootings. Some in town. Some on the hills. Some in the outlying communities. Probably some others we won't hear of until bodies are found at some point in the future. The only thing that truly upsets my neighbors and me are the 3 recent shooting deaths in downtown area streets in broad daylight of two locals and one tourist.

We still see no reaction from local or state authorities, only denial and avoidance of the issue. Federal authorities, while not addressing Zihuatanejo in particular, claim on public media they will take appropriate measures to restore public security to Guerrero. Not holding my breath.

Meanwhile, you may wish to add Milwaukee to your list of places to avoid for the foreseeable future.

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Thanks everyone for your responses, some helpful, some I didn't quite understand. Thanks Rob for your comments and assessment. I think we now have a better view of the situation, thanks to everyone.

FYI, We only keep lists of places we love and try to return to. As a west coaster, the whole Midwest has seemed either too hot or too cold for us.

Mork

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I can't answer your question for you. I haven't kept count of the shootings. Some in town. Some on the hills. Some in the outlying communities. Probably some others we won't hear of until bodies are found at some point in the future. The only thing that truly upsets my neighbors and me are the 3 recent shooting deaths in downtown area streets in broad daylight of two locals and one tourist.

We still see no reaction from local or state authorities, only denial and avoidance of the issue. Federal authorities, while not addressing Zihuatanejo in particular, claim on public media they will take appropriate measures to restore public security to Guerrero. Not holding my breath.

Meanwhile, you may wish to add Milwaukee to your list of places to avoid for the foreseeable future.

You have mentioned in the past the reassurance Zihuatenses have felt having the military base in town - but it appears, in the vacuum created by the incompetence of local and state police, that the military's presence hasn't been much of a deterrent to the bad guys.
I realize that Mexican police procedures aren't the same as they are NOB - (to this foreigner, Mexican police procedures are incomprehensible) - and that there must be many jurisdictional barriers between the police and the military, but surely, under the circumstances, the military should be front and centre. It's fine to drive through town with 15 or 20 troops crammed into a truck, but how about actually patrolling the streets - maybe even foot patrols - to at least give residents the visual impression of some sense of order?
(That said, I also realize that both the police and the military are out-gunned by the bad guys. Not a good situation.)

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Though my wife and I will make our usual return to the area in Nov , I have a sense of dread that if the authorities don't get their act together quickly , that the US will lift their travel advisory exemption of Zih/Ixtapa (It currently advises US gov employees to stick to the downtown core). Canada will undoubtedly follow suit .

The repercussions to the local economy and population will not be good

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You have mentioned in the past the reassurance Zihuatenses have felt having the military base in town - but it appears, in the vacuum created by the incompetence of local and state police, that the military's presence hasn't been much of a deterrent to the bad guys.
I realize that Mexican police procedures aren't the same as they are NOB - (to this foreigner, Mexican police procedures are incomprehensible) - and that there must be many jurisdictional barriers between the police and the military, but surely, under the circumstances, the military should be front and centre. It's fine to drive through town with 15 or 20 troops crammed into a truck, but how about actually patrolling the streets - maybe even foot patrols - to at least give residents the visual impression of some sense of order?
(That said, I also realize that both the police and the military are out-gunned by the bad guys. Not a good situation.)

I made a similar comment to the mayor today about foot patrols and increased visible police presence, among other things. I hope he gives serious consideration to my proposals.

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http://www.despertardelacosta.info/news/balacean-a-un-joven-en-campo-de-futbol-de-zihuatanejo/

It almost is getting to be daily
Taking a cab to a shooting?
I don't think anyone on this forum wants to hurt anyone's business especially the hardworking honest people of Z but i think exposing this has a better chance of positive change than minimizing it. Kudos to Rob for trying get more police patrols.

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Thanks folks for your help. Mork now heading back to "lurker" status. So many comments from so few people. Interesting. And I mean it...Thanks.

Mork

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Lurking is good. We tend to be thin skinned, but when it's important, we don't hesitate to jump in! Please do the same.....

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