Financial Annuities in Mexico

by Little Guy @, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 00:33 (2063 days ago)

Gringos will be familiar with financial annuities. Deposit a significant amount of money and received guaranteed income on a regular frequency (commonly monthly) for a fixed period or for life. They are commonly sold in $50,000 denominations.

I am considering establishing a guaranteed income flow for an older (mid-50s) person in the Zihuatanejo area for when they reach 65 years.

Are such annuities a common, or available, financial vehicle in Mexico?

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Financial Annuities in Mexico

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 11:47 (2062 days ago) @ Little Guy

Why not set one up in the USA, with regular transfers to a Mexican account? There are strict financial rules about annuities established by the FTC that provide security. I do not know if such rules are present in Mexico.

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by Little Guy @, Monday, March 22, 2021, 22:21 (2060 days ago) @ Timmac

Why not set one up in the USA, with regular transfers to a Mexican account? There are strict financial rules about annuities established by the FTC that provide security. I do not know if such rules are present in Mexico.

I am quite sure that an annuity would require identification of the person who would receive the flow from the annuity for tax purposes. I am quite sure that the person must have a legal financial presence in the country.

The annuity would be a whole life annuity. In my experience, the payout of a whole life annuity is considerably influenced by the actuarials based on age at the beginning of payments and the projected age at death. A financial institution outside of Mexico might be unwilling to take on that risk of a foreign life projection.

In this case, the recipient’s only legal financial presence would be in Mexico, so I don’t think they could be the recipient of a non-Mexican annuity. That would mean that I would have to be the recipient and be taxed at my much higher marginal tax rate, reducing the benefit to the person. Given that the person would be a former employee and the income would be recurring it might then be treated as earnings and be subject to taxation in Mexico as well.

I think for this to work it would have to be a Mexican annuity.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 13:07 (2062 days ago) @ Little Guy
edited by Padrino, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 13:13

Uh, oh. Someone mentioned annuities. Not that you asked, of course, but please allow me to give you my unsolicited (and unwelcome by the insurance industry) opinion about annuities.

An annuity is a life insurance product. The insurance company guarantees that it will pay you a set amount of money for a certain period, often for the rest of your life (the "life income" option) but it could also be a limited period such as 10 or 20 or 30 years (the "period certain" option). The amount is guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the insurance company and is not guaranteed by any government agency. However, insurance companies almost never go out of business. (How do you know a life insurance company is making money? Their doors are open.) On the exceedingly rare occasion that a life insurance company does go bankrupt, it is usually from malfeasance or incredible stupidity. When it does happen, other life insurances companies will come to the rescue with the blessings of the state administrators because no one in the industry wants their customers to believe that their life insurance company might be the next to fall. (Note: In the U.S., insurance companies are regulated by the states.)

The life income option is very popular because people love the idea that their source of income will not outlive them. However, you are paying dearly for that guaranteed income. What the insurance company is saying to you when they offer you an annuity is this: "Don't gamble with your money! You could wind up with mediocre returns. Give your money to us and we will guarantee you will get mediocre returns!" The fees on annuities are very high and the insurance company is very stingy with the returns they pass on to their customers.

Given a moderate amount of self-education or the help of a qualified and ethical financial advisor, you could easily build and administer your own annuity. You are almost always going to do much better than the annuity. However, there are caveats. Someone without self-discipline, who is rash with their money, or possibly believes they could "play the markets" and produce eye-popping returns might be much better off with an annuity. (But if you really do love your life insurance agent, please do buy an annuity from him or her. The commissions are positively delightful! Plus, they could earn an all-expense paid cruise in the Caribbean!)

Although poor Mr. Ken Fisher of Fisher Investments displayed poor judgment and even worse timing and got himself into deep kimchee trying to make a joke about women at the height of the MeToo movement, he does get one thing right when he famously says, "I hate annuities ... and so should you!"

My apologies as I can pontificate about finance and investments far longer than any reasonable person would ever want to listen. I only live and breathe and teach and work with this stuff.

Respectfully submitted,

Frank Paiano
Professor Emeritus (fancy phrase for retired), Finance and Investments, and
Registered Representative (a.k.a. Stockbroker) and Licensed California Insurance Agent

P.S. I absolutely adore this forum. ¡Un millón de gracias, Rob!

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by Ottawa Joe, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 14:52 (2062 days ago) @ Padrino

In the Globe and Mail paper a columnist in the business section suggested that perhaps an annuity might be a good idea, he got both barrels in the comments from educated peoples such as yourself Frank. Income from ETFs can be just as good and if you pass away Sooner rather then Later the money goes to those that are to inherit your estate Not the insurance company.
In full disclosure I am not a professional but I do administer all of the money that is in my accounts and beating the S&P index consistantly letting earnings roll over into more securities until I need it.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 15:09 (2062 days ago) @ Ottawa Joe

In full disclosure I am not a professional but I do administer all of the money that is in my accounts and beating the S&P index consistantly letting earnings roll over into more securities until I need it.

Ah, OJ, if you are indeed beating the S&P 500 over statistically significant periods of time, you should be a professional. The Industry Needs You! You wouldn't consider moving to Toronto, would you?

P.S. I adore Buy 'n' Hold investors!

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by wisconsinjuan @, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 15:46 (2062 days ago) @ Padrino

Agreed. Anyone who can beat the S&P 500 by more than 1% a year for 10 years could make literally hundreds of millions of $ per year. Invest in index funds, dividend growth stocks or a combination of both.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Saturday, March 20, 2021, 18:10 (2062 days ago) @ wisconsinjuan

You guys are playing my song! I have a very good financial advisor and I do everything he suggests! Which for the most part is "buy and hold"!

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by Ottawa Joe, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 10:19 (2061 days ago) @ Padrino

Lived there in the 70s going to Ryerson, Carleton St. and Scollard St in the core. Great place to visit from Spring through Fall but as a skier I felt rather stifled during that period. Like many on this board I now fee stifled because travel has been curtailed this year.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 14:45 (2061 days ago) @ Padrino

Agreed! My advisor is also a big buy and hold guy especially with the established stocks that pay regular dividends.

(I will never forgive him though, for talking me out of buying Tesla when it IPO'd)

Any of the consumer financial products that promise a "guaranteed return" I tend to look at in the same light as extended auto warranties and reverse mortgages.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 15:43 (2061 days ago) @ mindpilot

Agreed! My advisor is also a big buy and hold guy especially with the established stocks that pay regular dividends.

Dividends Don't Lie! Every other numeric statistic that is published by the company or the financial media is suspect except for one, the dividend. Why? Because they wrote you a check for that amount. (Well, they don't write checks anymore. It's all electronic but you get the idea.)

Any of the consumer financial products that promise a "guaranteed return" I tend to look at in the same light as extended auto warranties and reverse mortgages.

Excellent analogy!

(I will never forgive him though, for talking me out of buying Tesla when it IPO'd)

Hindsight is 20/20, Sir. However, would you have had the stomach to hang on as the stock regularly bounced between $350 and $200? Then would you have held on during the "production hell" when they were ramping up production of the Model 3. Although we did not know the full extent of the financial peril they were in, it was evident Tesla was just hangin' on for dear life. We learned later on that they were only 3 weeks from bankruptcy. I love regular dividends. They help me sleep at night.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 17:56 (2061 days ago) @ Padrino

(I will never forgive him though, for talking me out of buying Tesla when it IPO'd)


Hindsight is 20/20, Sir. However, would you have had the stomach to hang on as the stock regularly bounced between $350 and $200? Then would you have held on during the "production hell" when they were ramping up production of the Model 3. Although we did not know the full extent of the financial peril they were in, it was evident Tesla was just hangin' on for dear life. We learned later on that they were only 3 weeks from bankruptcy. I love regular dividends. They help me sleep at night.


I believe the Tesla story is far from over. Although at this point you may be kicking yourself, the final result may be leaving you breathing a sigh of relief!

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 21:13 (2061 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

(I will never forgive him though, for talking me out of buying Tesla when it IPO'd)


Hindsight is 20/20, Sir. However, would you have had the stomach to hang on as the stock regularly bounced between $350 and $200? Then would you have held on during the "production hell" when they were ramping up production of the Model 3. Although we did not know the full extent of the financial peril they were in, it was evident Tesla was just hangin' on for dear life. We learned later on that they were only 3 weeks from bankruptcy. I love regular dividends. They help me sleep at night.

I believe the Tesla story is far from over. Although at this point you may be kicking yourself, the final result may be leaving you breathing a sigh of relief!

It was more of a "I can't afford the car, but I can buy some stock" kind of thing.
"why of course I have a Tesla...a Tesla stock certificate."
If I'd bought that day at $17.50 a share, a $150 fluctuation wouldn't bother me much.

I coulda been a contender I tells ya!!

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by Little Guy @, Sunday, March 21, 2021, 22:17 (2061 days ago) @ Little Guy

I enjoy the discussion about investment strategies, the long-term advantages of equities, etc. for savvy investors, etc. I may be impressed at the reports of successes of others, especially those who have a long-term history of out-performing market indexes.

The circumstance I am contemplating however involves a person whose financial acumen is at a level that they have never had a bank account or enough money to open one. I am hoping to provide them with an income for life. A modest income, yes. But something that will provide them with worry-free certainty of an income stream.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, March 22, 2021, 08:42 (2061 days ago) @ Little Guy

The circumstance I am contemplating however involves a person whose financial acumen is at a level that they have never had a bank account or enough money to open one. I am hoping to provide them with an income for life. A modest income, yes. But something that will provide them with worry-free certainty of an income stream.

Ah, yes. This is one of those instances where an annuity might make sense for someone. Depending upon the situation and the amount of money, one alternative might be a trust. Consult a competent attorney about the advantages and disadvantages of a trust. Of course, you are going to need to talk to a Mexican abogado/a since, so far, we have been assuming that this is all going on in Mexico, yes? Trusts will have their own set of additional fees and there are reasons why there are plenty of lawyer jokes.

DISCLAIMER: None of the material above is meant to be legal advice or legal recommendations in the United States or Mexico or just about anywhere else in the world. CONSULT A COMPETENT LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE! (Our lawyers told us to say that. Have I ever told you, Fellow Zihuaphiles, how much I love this forum?)

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by Geronimo @, Playa Blanca, Monday, March 22, 2021, 08:11 (2061 days ago) @ Little Guy

Me thinks this sounds like how Reddit got started...everyone has advice for 'your' money.

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by mindpilot @, la Playa Buenavista, Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:40 (2059 days ago) @ Geronimo

Especially when politicians and pundits with many millions want to lecture those of us who don't on how we spend our meager funds.