voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by Casa Juan @, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 09:16 (38 days ago)

This is somewhat off topic but I wanted to confirm that Mexico issues a federal ID to citizens which is used for voting in local and federal elections. Trying to put this in context some of the current debate in parts of US on voter identification rules.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 09:35 (38 days ago) @ Casa Juan

This is somewhat off topic but I wanted to confirm that Mexico issues a federal ID to citizens which is used for voting in local and federal elections. Trying to put this in context some of the current debate in parts of US on voter identification rules.

Yes, Mexico issues a national ID that is known as our Credencial de Elector. We usually just call it "la credencial". It is often the only ID Mexicans have besides a birth certificate.

Comparing the call in the USA for Voter IDs to Mexico's is like trying to compare apples and mangos. If the USA had for decades been issuing federal IDs for voting and if the U.S. federal government managed all elections then changing the rules now would not be an issue. But it hasn't and it doesn't. Voting registration and elections in the States are the responsibility of the individual states, and voters are on the state voting rolls, not a national one like Mexico. So there is no comparison between Mexico's election system managed by an independent Instituto Nacional de Elecciones (INE) and the USA's state-based election systems that have worked extremely well for U.S. citizens. Changing the rules in the States would disenfranchise mostly poor minority voters, which is the point of such changes in many "red" states.

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by catlover, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 10:06 (37 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

So Rob, let me get this straight. Are you're saying that requiring an I.D. to vote would disenfranchise mostly poor minority voters, but the following which all require a photo I.D. don't?

Purchasing alcohol, purchase cold medicine, purchasing cigarettes, opening a bank account, apply for a credit card, applying for food stamps, applying for welfare, applying for Medicaid, applying for social security, applying for a job, applying for unemployment, renting a house, buying a house applying for a mortgage, drive a car, rent a car, buy a car, get on an airplane, get married, purchase a gun, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, apply for a hunting license, apply for a fishing license, buy a cell phone, apply for a utility account

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 10:39 (37 days ago) @ catlover

So Rob, let me get this straight. Are you're saying that requiring an I.D. to vote would disenfranchise mostly poor minority voters, but the following which all require a photo I.D. don't?

Purchasing alcohol, purchase cold medicine, purchasing cigarettes, opening a bank account, apply for a credit card, applying for food stamps, applying for welfare, applying for Medicaid, applying for social security, applying for a job, applying for unemployment, renting a house, buying a house applying for a mortgage, drive a car, rent a car, buy a car, get on an airplane, get married, purchase a gun, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, apply for a hunting license, apply for a fishing license, buy a cell phone, apply for a utility account

You start with a false premise, so your argument is nonsense from the git go. A NEW ID is not required for all those things. The IDs required are already easily available and already possessed. Not an additional expense or bureaucratic encounter. But yours is a great example of the dumbed down white privileged point of view.

Don't read this because it contains FACTS and DETAILS which will only cause pain in your already stressed head.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/aclu_voter_id_fact_sheet_-_final.pdf

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by catlover, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 11:06 (37 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

What argument? I asked you a question.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, San Diego, California USA, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 14:14 (37 days ago) @ catlover
edited by Padrino, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 14:22

So Rob, let me get this straight. Are you're saying that requiring an I.D. to vote would disenfranchise mostly poor minority voters, but the following which all require a photo I.D. don't?

Purchasing alcohol, purchase cold medicine, purchasing cigarettes, opening a bank account, apply for a credit card, applying for food stamps, applying for welfare, applying for Medicaid, applying for social security, applying for a job, applying for unemployment, renting a house, buying a house applying for a mortgage, drive a car, rent a car, buy a car, get on an airplane, get married, purchase a gun, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, apply for a hunting license, apply for a fishing license, buy a cell phone, apply for a utility account

Now, how did we know that CatLover was going to respond thusly?

The most basic foundation of a democracy is the belief that everyone's vote matters and everyone's vote is sacred. Voting should be made to be as easy as possible. That is why most countries vote on the weekends. What the Republicans are doing is trying to make voting as hard as possible for certain segments of the population. It is un-American. It is anti-democratic. It does not bode well for the United States democracy. But it sure does play well to the Republican minority.

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by hamish, Monday, April 05, 2021, 20:44 (35 days ago) @ catlover

The current changes in the voting laws proposed in the US are ONLY about disenfranchising minorities (especially poor urban African Americans). The Republican white supramicist party could never win without gaming the system and they know it.
Why do we see 6 hour voting lines in the minority voting stations, while those in affluent white areas wait 30 minutes at the most? Where do you think the Black voters are from (they were brought to America in chains remember)?

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by midalake @, Monday, April 05, 2021, 20:45 (35 days ago) @ hamish

The current changes in the voting laws proposed in the US are ONLY about disenfranchising minorities (especially poor urban African Americans). The Republican white supramicist party could never win without gaming the system and they know it.
Why do we see 6 hour voting lines in the minority voting stations, while those in affluent white areas wait 30 minutes at the most? Where do you think the Black voters are from (they were brought to America in chains remember)?

:badass: :megusta:

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by catlover, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 05:34 (35 days ago) @ hamish

And slavery was abolished by Abraham Lincoln and the Republican party against the strong resistance of the Democratic party. And now the minorities continue to be repressed in the inner cities of the US which most are governed by the Democratic party.

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by hamish, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 08:24 (35 days ago) @ catlover

Well, your Republican party has been a racist party since Nixon. There to do the bidding privileged whites. Minorities vote for Democrats because they know the Republican party is racist. Those areas are poor because they have been screwed since they were brought to America in chains. Not to mention the party of insurrection, Qanon, Proud Boys, KKK and the like. They are a minority party trying to hold power by gaming the system.

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by catlover, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 08:28 (35 days ago) @ hamish

Keep drinking that kool-aid!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 09:32 (35 days ago) @ catlover

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voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by Ironwood @, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 12:08 (34 days ago) @ catlover

Keep drinking that kool-aid!

Who's drinking the Kool-Aid? The Republican's are so transparently stupid, they've even admitted that they'll never win another national election unless they game the system. Rocket scientists and brain surgeons.

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by Casa Juan @, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 13:37 (34 days ago) @ Ironwood

way off topic but IMHO Pelosi and Schummer are the best promoters for the Republicans to regain control of both House and Senate next year.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 14:04 (34 days ago) @ Casa Juan

way off topic but IMHO Pelosi and Schummer are the best promoters for the Republicans to regain control of both House and Senate next year.

Mitch, Johnson, Jordan, Greene et al must make GQPers very proud. Get back to me when either Nancy or Chuck incites a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, sexually assaults someone, mocks the disabled, rips children from the arms of their parents, insults Gold Star Families, calls Nazis and white supremacists "very fine people", steals from a charity, or starts a fake university. The GQP enables monsters, promotes racism, and incites acts of terrorism against the nation. At least the Dems are working towards fixing and healing a broken and suffering nation.

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by hamish, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 17:56 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well said and true.

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by catlover, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 19:04 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, Wish I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by Quadra Paul @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 22:13 (31 days ago) @ catlover

Rob, Wish I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

I doubt the wish thing very much! And there is only one person wrong here, and most of us know who it is.

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 10:22 (37 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

good point on the state versus federal distinction in US. Just trying to understand why in US, all states can't issue ids unrelated to driving etc that would eliminate the problem when it comes to voting. Living in Alaska when not in Zihua, I understand
how people in remote locations are at a disadvantage in getting prompt access.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 10:43 (37 days ago) @ Casa Juan

good point on the state versus federal distinction in US. Just trying to understand why in US, all states can't issue ids unrelated to driving etc that would eliminate the problem when it comes to voting. Living in Alaska when not in Zihua, I understand
how people in remote locations are at a disadvantage in getting prompt access.

That's the crux of the problem for Statesiders. Several Southern states have already shown us the process they intend to use by limiting access, which disproportionately affects poor minorities. In contrast, Mexico's federal government tries to make access to getting a Credencial as easy as possible for everyone by locating an INE office in every municipio.

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by Scott ⌂, Mérida, Yucatán, Monday, April 05, 2021, 19:17 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Mexico's federal government tries to make access to getting a Credencial as easy as possible for everyone by locating an INE office in every municipio.

As a new citizen, I don't understand why I can't register to vote in the elections two months from now. I have a Mexican passport, but I can't get a voter card until after the elections in June. I know very little about what changes are being made in the USA, but I feel the Mexican system has its own quirks too, which prevent some people from voting also (like me).

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 05, 2021, 20:19 (35 days ago) @ Scott

Mexico's federal government tries to make access to getting a Credencial as easy as possible for everyone by locating an INE office in every municipio.

As a new citizen, I don't understand why I can't register to vote in the elections two months from now. I have a Mexican passport, but I can't get a voter card until after the elections in June. I know very little about what changes are being made in the USA, but I feel the Mexican system has its own quirks too, which prevent some people from voting also (like me).

¡Felicidades, paisa'!

I don't know when you got your citizenship, but there is a period before every election when there is a massive propaganda campaign encouraging citizens to obtain or update their credencial before the cutoff date to participate in upcoming elections. It was the very first thing I did after I got my citizenship. Got my passport the same day as my citizenship at the same place in Acapulco.

You had until 10 Feb 2021 to get your credencial for this year's elections. In the past we would pick them up at the INE office (previously IFE), but now they deliver them to your address by package delivery service after about 5 or 6 weeks, according to their website. You can get your credencial at any time, but you won't be able to participate in the upcoming elections in June.

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by Scott ⌂, Mérida, Yucatán, Tuesday, April 06, 2021, 19:24 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I applied and passed the test in 2018, but due to the pandemic it took well over a year and I didn't get my carta de naturalización until after the February 10th deadline. I'm disappointed I won't be able to vote this year but very happy to have a Mexican passport after all these years!

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by BrianE @, Auburn, WA, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 12:48 (37 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I Georgia, the state that everyone is up in arms over at the momoent, they have a specific "voting only" ID card available and it is free of charge. There are registrar's offices in every county.
I find it odd that voting in the US is less secure in the US than in Mexico and many other countries with far less infrastructure and technology.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 13:31 (37 days ago) @ BrianE

I Georgia, the state that everyone is up in arms over at the momoent, they have a specific "voting only" ID card available and it is free of charge. There are registrar's offices in every county.
I find it odd that voting in the US is less secure in the US than in Mexico and many other countries with far less infrastructure and technology.

Voting in the USA is not insecure by any measuring stick, it is simply under attack by Republicans as their voter base shrinks and they continue practicing the same voter suppression tactics that put their party members in a disproportionate number of seats of power.

Yes, most if not all states issue a free voter registration card at the county registrar's office, but now many want to issue a different one, and the requirements for getting them are what change, thus the controversy.

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by jay @, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 16:43 (37 days ago) @ BrianE

Let's try a little thought experiment.

Suppose the government required that you show a government issued ID to attend church services.
Suppose the nearest office to get that ID was 100 miles away and only open sporadically.
Suppose services were illegal on Wednesdays and Sundays.
Suppose churches were not allowed to serve food and drink.
Suppose it was illegal for non-family members to drive you to your church.

See? None of these are unreasonable burdens, are they? After all, you have to show ID to cash a check and board a plane. If you really wanted to go to church you'd find a way.

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by Sunlight Dancer, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 21:30 (37 days ago) @ BrianE

I [sic] Georgia, the state that everyone is up in arms over at the momoent [sic], they have a specific "voting only" ID card available and it is free of charge. There are registrar's offices in every county.
I find it odd that voting in the US is less secure in the US than in Mexico and many other countries with far less infrastructure and technology.

Georgia resident here. The new voting law has us "up in arms" for the surgically precise methods laid out to rig an election. One example: a state election board appointed and empowered by the Republican majority in the legislature now has the authority to remove county election officials in any district they wish and replace them with cronies who will deliver the results they want.

Regarding voter ID, sure, the "voting only" ID is free but you must obtain it at the DMV or county registrar's office. In order to get a voter ID at the DMV, you must produce your birth certificate. Can't find it? That'll cost you $20 for a copy, plus another trip to another county office to get a copy. Once you have the info required, you have to make an appointment at the DMV or county registrar's office, some of which are only open 4 hours a day, 3 days a week, and 75 miles away from your residence.

Obtaining voter ID in Georgia may technically be "free" but it's definitely not easy, particularly for citizens who don't own a vehicle in less populated counties. But that's the point, isn't it?

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by jay @, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 21:49 (37 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

Obtaining voter ID in Georgia may technically be "free" but it's definitely not easy, particularly for citizens who don't own a vehicle in less populated counties. But that's the point, isn't it?

It's exactly the point. Republicans know that if they put a lot of unnecessary and frivolous obstacles in the path of voters, a certain percentage will fall out of the bottom of the voter rolls. people on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder, people who generally vote democratic. It's a numbers game, one that they've been playing for decades. But I think they've overreached this time. There seems to be a tsunami of blowback coming down the road, and I think Georgia (and Texas; and Florida; and now Kansas) will have to back down or have the federal government slap them upside the head.

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by ekim, Los Altos, Ca, Saturday, April 03, 2021, 22:59 (37 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

Isn't a state issued drivers license or ID card sufficient to vote in Georgia under the new laws?
My understanding is that the new voter ID card is only required if no other ID
is available.
Just trying to understand what all the fuss is about.

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by catlover, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 06:11 (37 days ago) @ ekim

You are correct, however if you want to make a misinformed political point, then you need to avoid that simple fact. Talk about being disenfranchised, how would you like to be Mexican, living in Zihua and having to travel to Mexico city to get a passport.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 08:49 (37 days ago) @ catlover

You are correct, however if you want to make a misinformed political point, then you need to avoid that simple fact. Talk about being disenfranchised, how would you like to be Mexican, living in Zihua and having to travel to Mexico city to get a passport.

That isn’t true either.

Again, neither you nor ekim seem to appreciate the reality of who doesn’t have a driver’s license.

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by ekim, Los Altos, Ca, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 13:32 (36 days ago) @ catlover

Most democracies (including Mexico) require voter ID. I doubt that Mexicans
are required to travel to Mexico City to obtain one.
Suggesting that minorities are incapable of obtaining a state issued ID
smacks of the racism of low expectations for minority groups.
Were I a minority, I would be offended by that implication.
Pax

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by catlover, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 18:54 (36 days ago) @ ekim

:megusta:

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by Quadra Paul @, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 19:04 (36 days ago) @ ekim

Most democracies (including Mexico) require voter ID. I doubt that Mexicans
are required to travel to Mexico City to obtain one.
Suggesting that minorities are incapable of obtaining a state issued ID
smacks of the racism of low expectations for minority groups.
Were I a minority, I would be offended by that implication.
Pax

When you say voter ID, is that a specific Id for voting or just general ID? Like Drivers license etc? In Canada you can just hand them the voter card that comes in the mail and you're good to go!

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 20:10 (36 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

In California, all you have to do is show up at your polling place, state your name, confirm that the one printed is you, and you vote.

Yes, things happen, but I am very opposed to having to do anything other than stating my name and voting.

Unfortunately, I don't remember what we had to do to vote from here, but we did/do, and I don't think it required anything more than saying who we were and giving our former California address. Don't quote me.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:27 (29 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Democrats think minorities are too stupid to get an ID. That mailbox thingy is way to complicated to work. I mean the door to to the box and all.

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by midalake @, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 19:49 (29 days ago) @ nicatnit

Democrats think minorities are too stupid to get an ID. That mailbox thingy is way to complicated to work. I mean the door to to the box and all.


Fixed it for ya!


Republican's are too stupid to understand that most of us don't want to wait in line to cast our vote and rather mail our legitimate vote in.

Complaining all the way how this makes them lose. PATHETIC!

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by nicatnit, Monday, April 12, 2021, 13:47 (28 days ago) @ midalake

Fixed it, really?? Democrats want to cheat to win by casting other people s votes. (One person one vote) is it really that hard for you to understand? Republicans may be stupid, but Democrats are dishonest.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:41 (28 days ago) @ nicatnit

Fixed it, really?? Democrats want to cheat to win by casting other people s votes. (One person one vote) is it really that hard for you to understand? Republicans may be stupid, but Democrats are dishonest.

Please cite ONE instance of what you claim.

Then explain why you ignore THE BIG LIE.

Glad to hear you're against the Electoral College, because that's more like 1 person = 30 votes in some states.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 19:59 (36 days ago) @ ekim

Most democracies (including Mexico) require voter ID. I doubt that Mexicans
are required to travel to Mexico City to obtain one.
Suggesting that minorities are incapable of obtaining a state issued ID
smacks of the racism of low expectations for minority groups.
Were I a minority, I would be offended by that implication.
Pax

Not "incapable". No one ever said that. But this targeted voter suppression tactic is designed to inconvenience a significant number of minorities so that they don't vote, and thus to skew the vote in the opposite direction of their expected vote.

The people clamoring for (and defending the clamor for) voter ID in the States conveniently ignore the existing voter ID called a Voter Registration Card that includes having the voter's name appear on a specific roll for a specific district. A practice that U.S. states have used for decades without any significant voter fraud.

If something isn't broken, what is the point in changing it and calling it "fixing it"? Such tactics are blatant VOTER SUPPRESSION, a disgraceful tactic by the MINORITY PARTY, otherwise known as Republicans. Pretending it is anything else insults the intelligence of those same minorities whom you impossibly claim (because you obviously don't know) would be offended. They know when hardships are targeted at them.

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by nicatnit, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:23 (29 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Voter fraud is hard to prove. The evidence disappears conveniently. But let’s keep harvesting those ballots just to be sure we get the outcome we desire. Voter ID is supported by 70% of Americans. Or should I say US Citizens? What a farce your position is. Voter suppression is a figment of your imagination. Voter participation is at its highest level ever. There is no voter suppression. Democrats insult minorities by feigning outrage over voter ID requirements. What a woke joke

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:44 (29 days ago) @ nicatnit

Voter fraud is hard to prove. The evidence disappears conveniently. But let’s keep harvesting those ballots just to be sure we get the outcome we desire. Voter ID is supported by 70% of Americans. Or should I say US Citizens? What a farce your position is. Voter suppression is a figment of your imagination. Voter participation is at its highest level ever. There is no voter suppression. Democrats insult minorities by feigning outrage over voter ID requirements. What a woke joke

BULL! You don't appear to have ever worked at a polling station.

Farce? No voter suppression? Hard to Prove? The more you comment on the matter the more you demonstrate your hopelessly blind bias.

Voter Suppression - Encyclopedia Britannica - Notice how the USA is the subject of the definition in the first place.

Voter participation was at its highest level in order to overthrow a tyrant since all the Second Amendment adherents failed to carry out the excuse they use for arming themselves to the teeth.

Since most minorities are Democrats, that puts the lie (once again) to that baseless silly claim of yours. Give it a break.

Most citizens have no idea what a Voter ID is even when they're holding it in their hand (like I said, smart fella, it's called a VOTER REGISTRATION CARD). The fact that the former guy was ever president and got 70 million votes in the last election clearly demonstrates how utterly worthless the opinions of 70 million citizens are. But hey, do it, change the law nationally and don't allow states like Texas, Georgia and others to restrict access to the new Voter ID's (aka Voter Registration Cards) as they've demonstrated a clear tendency to do, and instead automatically register voters and send them free Voter ID cards. That fixes all the objections to them. So called red states will refuse that proposal hands down. Lindsey Graham will have a hissy fit. Marjorie Taylor Greene will introduce legislation to end elections.

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by nicatnit, Monday, April 12, 2021, 13:54 (28 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The opinions of 70 million people are not worthless. Maybe to you they are since you believe differing opinions don’t matter.
States control elections not the Feds. Thank God for that. HR1 is going nowhere.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:37 (28 days ago) @ nicatnit

The opinions of 70 million people are not worthless. Maybe to you they are since you believe differing opinions don’t matter.
States control elections not the Feds. Thank God for that. HR1 is going nowhere.

You want to thank a non-existent deity for the continued intentional obstructionism and lack of attention to the nation's problems by Republicans. If you believed in the Christian version of that deity then you must be suffering some horrendous cognitive dissonance, or else you've simply accepted your hypocrisy. Cult45 followers aren't offering differing opinions, they offer spoonfed HATE, DIVISION, RACISM AND LIES. I have no problem with actual Republicans, but I haven't hardly seen one since before Reagan, except the ones who keep fleeing the Retrumplican party that's become nothing but a Party of Hate, Lies, Voter Suppression, Racism, Vindictive Vengeance, and INSURRECTION. The GQP is on a death spiral. And you still want to be their cheerleader?

Yeah, gotta love the "opinions" of RACIST INSURRECTIONISTS. And if you aren't then I hate to tell you but you're following the wrong party.

So you DON'T want to see fair voting but are instead all for voter suppression. I'm glad you keep putting all this out there. The more you write about your political views, the less respect you deserve for those misguided anti-democratic "un-American" beliefs.

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by jay @, Monday, April 12, 2021, 16:59 (28 days ago) @ nicatnit

States control elections not the Feds. Thank God for that. HR1 is going nowhere.

The problem with that thinking is that sometimes red states work so energetically to deny people, mostly minorities, their constitutional rights that the feds have to step in to protect those rights. Like civil rights legislation sixty years ago. And kinda like integration in schools in Little Rock and Birmingham. In this case, fearing the loss of their white supremacist status of five hundred years, Republicans have seriously overreached in several states, thereby almost inviting the feds to intervene.

And HR1 is going nowhere only so long as Joe Manchin refuses to see reality. I wonder what goodies Mitch McConnell has offered him to hold the line.

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by Sunlight Dancer, Monday, April 12, 2021, 21:44 (28 days ago) @ nicatnit
edited by Sunlight Dancer, Monday, April 12, 2021, 22:56

Voter fraud is hard to prove. The evidence disappears conveniently. But let’s keep harvesting those ballots just to be sure we get the outcome we desire. Voter ID is supported by 70% of Americans. Or should I say US Citizens? What a farce your position is. Voter suppression is a figment of your imagination. Voter participation is at its highest level ever. There is no voter suppression. Democrats insult minorities by feigning outrage over voter ID requirements. What a woke joke

Georgia resident here. THIS is what I call "voter fraud": a state election board appointed and empowered by the Republican majority in the legislature now has the authority to remove county election officials in any district they please and replace them with cronies who will deliver the results they want.

I call overturning an election by partisan fiat fraud. What would you call it?

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by Sunlight Dancer, Sunday, April 04, 2021, 23:56 (36 days ago) @ ekim

Isn't a state issued drivers license or ID card sufficient to vote in Georgia under the new laws?
My understanding is that the new voter ID card is only required if no other ID
is available.
Just trying to understand what all the fuss is about.

Georgia resident here again.
The "fuss" with the new voting law goes WAY beyond voter ID. In spite of the roadblocks set up to make it more difficult to vote, the citizens of my state worked their way through them and turned out in record numbers, resulting in Georgia going "blue" for the first time since 1992.

The state legislature embraced the Big Lie that "Georgia's election was stolen" and got busy. They passed a law shortening early voting periods, removing autonomy of county election boards and replacing them with hand-picked cronies if desired, making absentee (mail-in) voting more difficult, removing absentee ballot boxes, allowing one individual to challenge/slow down an unlimited numbers of legitimate voter registrations in a voting district, and my personal favorite, making it a crime to pass another voter a bottle of water.

So, yeah, the "fuss" is earned.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Monday, April 05, 2021, 00:22 (36 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

I’m hopeful that this will backfire in a big way. Stacy Abrams power to move the voters concerned and the changing demographics of Georgia may well turn Georgia blue for a long time to come.

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by Quadra Paul @, Monday, April 05, 2021, 22:05 (35 days ago) @ Timmac

I’m hopeful that this will backfire in a big way. Stacy Abrams power to move the voters concerned and the changing demographics of Georgia may well turn Georgia blue for a long time to come.

I heard the mayor of Atlanta say that 10 out of the top 30 companies in the US are now located in Atlanta! I would say that augurs well for the Democrats!

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by nicatnit, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 08:20 (30 days ago) @ Timmac

Oh the backfiring is just starting just not how you envision. Let’s get a panel to study packing the Supreme Court. Oh there’s a vote getter too. 2022 can’t come fast enough before Democrats destroy this country

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voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:48 (29 days ago) @ nicatnit

Oh the backfiring is just starting just not how you envision. Let’s get a panel to study packing the Supreme Court. Oh there’s a vote getter too. 2022 can’t come fast enough before Democrats destroy this country

No, that's what the former guy and every previous Republican president did. The Dems are the ones who come along and have to waste most of their time cleaning up the messes they inherit. The history is quite clear and even you should be able to understand it if you bother to study it.

voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by Yandosan, Sunday, April 11, 2021, 19:27 (29 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I agree. Moving into the White House
after Republicans is like checking into
a hotel room after Led Zeppelin was there. Does anyone
remember October 2008? Not all the fault
of Pres Cheney who we later found out was running the
show but a lot of it was after a decade
of bloodshed and expensive combat.

voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by nicatnit, Monday, April 12, 2021, 13:58 (28 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I respectfully disagree. Three months in and Biden is ruining the country. You need to look no further than our southern border.

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voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:45 (28 days ago) @ nicatnit

I respectfully disagree. Three months in and Biden is ruining the country. You need to look no further than our southern border.

RUINING the country by being HUMANE to asylum seekers, refugees and desperate migrants instead of being CRUEL like the former guy was who simply exacerbated the problem that a responsible adult is now dealing with responsibly. That takes the cake. Whatever passes for moral values in your mind is a total disaster.

voter id requirements in Mexico ?

by mcnuttja, Wednesday, April 07, 2021, 16:34 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yes, the US is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy at the Federal Level. I am one of the Liberals that doe NOT want this to change. The Electoral College is a different story!