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Convocatoria de Vacunación en Zihuatanejo

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, April 07, 2021, 09:07 (37 days ago)

Horario:
Viernes 9 de abril: 12:00 a 18:00 hrs.
Sábado 10 de abril: 09:00 a 16:00 hrs.
Domingo 11 de abril: 09:00 a 16:00 hrs.

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Convocatoria de Vacunación en Zihuatanejo

by Susan G @, Zihua/La Ropa, Wednesday, April 07, 2021, 14:56 (37 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
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Thanks for the vaccine information in an easy-to-understand format. We'll be waiting in line with our credentiales Saturday morning at the giant sports field covered areas.

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Friday Vaccination? Please share hints!!!

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 12:08 (36 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I'm a Saturday, my sweetie is a Sunday.

If you are a Friday, any hints/observations would be very helpful. Things like, Are there restrooms? Is the wait time several hours or 10 minutes? If you get out of line to use the restrooms will you lose your place? Is there a particular entrance to the sports fields to use? Were there any particular issues with paperwork?

Anything that anyone can post would be very helpful!

Thanks in advance.

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Friday Vaccination? Please share hints!!!

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 13:12 (36 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I'm a Saturday, my sweetie is a Sunday.

If you are a Friday, any hints/observations would be very helpful. Things like, Are there restrooms? Is the wait time several hours or 10 minutes? If you get out of line to use the restrooms will you lose your place? Is there a particular entrance to the sports fields to use? Were there any particular issues with paperwork?

Anything that anyone can post would be very helpful!

Thanks in advance.

If the experience is anything like elsewhere, there will be an early rush with longer wait times, then things should taper off. Yes, there are public facilities, though for us "tough" guys it's never a problem. :o)

As far as I know the entrance is near the Fibazi offices by the public pool.

If you take a companion or know of friends who will also be there you shouldn't have any difficulties with a place in line. I can link up with ReyRay if we're there at the same time.

I expect things will get slowed down by folks coming from other municipios and regions trying to get their shots in Zihuatanejo when it doesn't correspond to them. I sure hope they aren't expecting elderly people from the sierra to make the trip here.

Water will be available. I imagine snacks will be for sale by opportunistic vendors.

Make sure you take copies of all the paperwork they're asking for.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 13:46 (36 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Thanks for the advice, but I'm an H and ReyRay is a T, so we have different days! Looks like he'll drop me off and then I'll go back home on my own.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 18:48 (35 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Thanks for the advice, but I'm an H and ReyRay is a T, so we have different days! Looks like he'll drop me off and then I'll go back home on my own.

As "elderly" people you both are allowed one companion.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 20:32 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
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So do you think that we should both go together on Saturday and take our chances??? Since we know that I am Saturday and he is Sunday, we hate to try to take advantage of the system by both going on Saturday.

Elderly, we are. However we were planning to go get our vaccinations after two miles with the dogs, several miles on our SUP's and a short kilometer swim.

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Friday Vaccination? Please share hints!!!

by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 14:11 (36 days ago) @ Talley Ho

While I realize that our experience in the US may not be applicable in Zihuatanejo, mass immunization events in the states tend to attract large early crowds with the clinics running out of vaccine with folks still in line. I got advance notice of when things would be available here and logged in to get an appointment as soon as I could. By the time I had secured appointments for us, within 15 minutes, there were no appointments anywhere for six weeks. You really don’t want to be number 1001 in line if they only have 1000 shots. Based on what’s happened here, I’d encourage an early start to your day.

Friday Vaccination? Please share hints!!!

by Tere @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 10:10 (35 days ago) @ Talley Ho

I'm going today. My husband (who's WAY younger than I and not even able to think about getting vaccinated) will be coming with me, as usual. He'll hold my place in line, and/or get more water for me. He won't be getting vaccinated, I'm sure. MegaNoticias last night told people NOT to line up early, NOT to camp out overnight or get there at 6 a.m. as it's not starting until 11 or 12. I figure I'll go around 3 p.m. (my last name starts with a "D";) If I get a shot, great. If not, I'll get one next time around. We've waited a year, we can wait a little longer.

I'll let everybody know how it goes!

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, April 09, 2021, 16:23 (34 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Re: "hints"

4/09/2021

I was listening to Costa Grande en la Noticia en 90.5.
IF I am not mistaken, I think she commented about a SEPARATE LINE to form in for "Extranjeros".
IF someone who is an Extranjero went hoy Viernes 09 Abril, could you let us know if indeed that is the case?
THAT would be a very useful "hint" or "tip".

We would not want to wait for hours in a long line, only to find out that we were not in the proper line waiting our turn.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 13:25 (36 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Please notice the Friday start hour has been changed for a third time from 11:00 to 12:00.

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 14:26 (36 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Please notice the Friday start hour has been changed for a third time from 11:00 to 12:00.

Puerto Vallarta vaccination experience.
We were given the first injection on Feb. 25. Arrived at the convention center at 8 am. There were about 3,000 people already in line. We waited 7 hours in the sun to get registered and into the building. One more hour to get the injection and out the door. Total 8 hours. Part of the large crowd problem was people from as far away as Guadalajara came to get the vaccine. None were turned away.

We received the second injection on April 6 just under the wire for the maximum period between vaccinations. This time the shots were separated in 2 hour segments by first initial of the last name. 9 to 11, 11 to 1, 1 to 3 and 3 to 4. Fools that we are we arrived at 12:00 for our 1:00 start time. There were clearly more than 3,000 people waiting in line. People had started lining up at 3:30 am...There was no regard or control as to scheduled times. If you got in line you got injected. There were even many people who had not had the first injection.

The government had greatly increased the number of nurses giving the injections and taking in groups of 500 instead of 75 on the first round in Feb. As a result we waited only 3 hours in the sun with an additional hour for getting the injection in a room with 250 people and an additional room with another 250. Total 4 hours, big improvement.

Take water and an umbrella.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, April 08, 2021, 21:27 (35 days ago) @ mexicoman

Please notice the Friday start hour has been changed for a third time from 11:00 to 12:00.


Puerto Vallarta vaccination experience.
We were given the first injection on Feb. 25. Arrived at the convention center at 8 am. There were about 3,000 people already in line. We waited 7 hours in the sun to get registered and into the building. One more hour to get the injection and out the door. Total 8 hours. Part of the large crowd problem was people from as far away as Guadalajara came to get the vaccine. None were turned away.

We received the second injection on April 6 just under the wire for the maximum period between vaccinations. This time the shots were separated in 2 hour segments by first initial of the last name. 9 to 11, 11 to 1, 1 to 3 and 3 to 4. Fools that we are we arrived at 12:00 for our 1:00 start time. There were clearly more than 3,000 people waiting in line. People had started lining up at 3:30 am...There was no regard or control as to scheduled times. If you got in line you got injected. There were even many people who had not had the first injection.

The government had greatly increased the number of nurses giving the injections and taking in groups of 500 instead of 75 on the first round in Feb. As a result we waited only 3 hours in the sun with an additional hour for getting the injection in a room with 250 people and an additional room with another 250. Total 4 hours, big improvement.

Take water and an umbrella.

I do NOT recommend arriving hours early. You will simply waste your time. People from other municipios will not be vaccinated. Guerrero is not administering the vaccine like they did in Guadalajara. The organizers have been insisting that people not show up early. I know I'm not going to waste my day standing in line. I'll go to Coacoyul if it looks ridiculous at the Unidad Deportiva.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 00:45 (35 days ago) @ mexicoman

Which vaccine did you get? Here, in most of Canada, folks are, or will be, waiting up to four months for the second shot.....whether it's Pfizer, Moderna or any other two-shot vaccine.

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by catlover, Friday, April 09, 2021, 06:25 (35 days ago) @ Ironwood

Sounds like another big plus for the medical system in Canada.

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by ZihuaRx @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 06:53 (35 days ago) @ catlover

The US gave more vaccines over the the easter long weekend than Canada has given to date. Our health system does suck, but so does the US health system. The lack of vaccines is obviously due to our Most Unethical Prime Minister and our inept governement. Probably just our Most Unethical PM as he tends to fire anyone with a backbone who stands up to him Re: female aboriginal attorney General. The US is opening up and our biggest city is in a total lockdown because of lack of vaccines. What is happening to Canadians if they fly home is bizarre and what is more bizarre is that Canadians will actually vote for the party that our Most Unetical PM will run. Oh well, nice to be in Zihua.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 11:55 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

The US gave more vaccines over the the easter long weekend than Canada has given to date. Our health system does suck, but so does the US health system. The lack of vaccines is obviously due to our Most Unethical Prime Minister and our inept governement. Probably just our Most Unethical PM as he tends to fire anyone with a backbone who stands up to him Re: female aboriginal attorney General. The US is opening up and our biggest city is in a total lockdown because of lack of vaccines. What is happening to Canadians if they fly home is bizarre and what is more bizarre is that Canadians will actually vote for the party that our Most Unetical PM will run. Oh well, nice to be in Zihua.

You are so predictable! It's like a Pavlovian response!

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 14:17 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

The US gave more vaccines over the the easter long weekend than Canada has given to date. Our health system does suck, but so does the US health system. The lack of vaccines is obviously due to our Most Unethical Prime Minister and our inept governement.

It must kill you to know that the current Prime Minister's party has actually increased their lead in the polls in the last week or so. How is it that so many people don't agree with your assessment? I'm actually OK with how the vaccine rollout has gone in Canada in light of the fact that we have no domestic production of the drugs. We will prevail in the end and should just be patient until that happens. What's worrisome for the US is the number of people who will choose not to get the jab.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 11:56 (35 days ago) @ catlover

Sounds like another big plus for the medical system in Canada.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about!

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by catlover, Friday, April 09, 2021, 12:33 (35 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

:megusta:

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by Ironwood @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 17:43 (34 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Sounds like another big plus for the medical system in Canada.


As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about!

Take this clown with a very large grain of salt, QP. He supports a party that has been whinging about ObamaCare for well over a decade. Every Republican presidential candidate, including the moron Trump, promised that their main priority, if elected, would be the immediate repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Ted (would you buy a used car from this man?) Cruz even promised to repeal the ACA within 10 minutes of being inaugurated. Did Trump repeal the ACA? No. Have the Republicans come up with anything.....anything....in the way of a new healthcare plan? No. Even with Obama's limited improvements, (which the Republicans fought tooth-and-nail), the US still has an embarrassingly second-rate healthcare system, compared to most progressive nations. And the rightwing conservative Rethuglican response? Smirking, snide criticism of whatever short-comings in other national healthcare plans they can find.
As for a national response to COVID, maybe the catlover can explain the US death rate.

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 19:15 (34 days ago) @ Ironwood

Sounds like another big plus for the medical system in Canada.


As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about!


Take this clown with a very large grain of salt, QP. He supports a party that has been whinging about ObamaCare for well over a decade. Every Republican presidential candidate, including the moron Trump, promised that their main priority, if elected, would be the immediate repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Ted (would you buy a used car from this man?) Cruz even promised to repeal the ACA within 10 minutes of being inaugurated. Did Trump repeal the ACA? No. Have the Republicans come up with anything.....anything....in the way of a new healthcare plan? No. Even with Obama's limited improvements, (which the Republicans fought tooth-and-nail), the US still has an embarrassingly second-rate healthcare system, compared to most progressive nations. And the rightwing conservative Rethuglican response? Smirking, snide criticism of whatever short-comings in other national healthcare plans they can find.
As for a national response to COVID, maybe the catlover can explain the US death rate.

Thank You! That explains a lot!

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by jay @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 21:39 (34 days ago) @ Ironwood

Did Trump repeal the ACA? No. Have the Republicans come up with anything.....anything....in the way of a new healthcare plan?

The reason Republicans couldn't come up with a replacement was that Obamacare WAS the conservative answer to health-care reform, the market-based plan written and embraced by Republicans everywhere until the nanosecond Obama chose it for his own plan. Then they hated it. They just had to be the anti-Obama. They couldn't move to the right on a new plan without going back to the good old days of deregulation and screwing their own constituents; and they would rather chew out their kidneys than move to the left, toward single-payer. They had been out-flanked, badly. Now, after flopping around like a beached carp for several years, they fervently hope their dimwitted base forgets the whole repeal-and-replace thing.

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by jay @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 21:57 (34 days ago) @ Ironwood

the US still has an embarrassingly second-rate healthcare system

I would quibble with this: the US healthcare system is as good as any in the world. It's the health insurance system that is second-rate. I think that's an important distinction.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 22:54 (34 days ago) @ jay
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the US still has an embarrassingly second-rate healthcare system


I would quibble with this: the US healthcare system is as good as any in the world. It's the health insurance system that is second-rate. I think that's an important distinction.

I don't see how you can reasonably separate the two. And on many of the factors used by those who measure such things:infant mortality, life expectancy, i.e. outcomes.....and cost, for example......the US is well down the list when compared to most western democracies. Do the wealthy in the USA get world-class medical care? They sure do. Do those fortunate to be working for enlightened employers providing decent healthcare plans get decent healthcare? Sure. Are tens of millions of Americans one illness or one accident away from financial ruin? You bet. So, how do you rate the success or efficacy of national healthcare policies and outcomes?

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, April 09, 2021, 08:38 (35 days ago) @ Ironwood

Which vaccine did you get? Here, in most of Canada, folks are, or will be, waiting up to four months for the second shot.....whether it's Pfizer, Moderna or any other two-shot vaccine.

Pfizer.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 17:48 (34 days ago) @ mexicoman

Which vaccine did you get? Here, in most of Canada, folks are, or will be, waiting up to four months for the second shot.....whether it's Pfizer, Moderna or any other two-shot vaccine.


Pfizer.

Now, the experts are talking of the possibility of mixing first and second doses....eg. a Pfizer first and a Moderna second. Who knows....maybe that'll provide even better protection? Lots of unknowns.

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Friday, April 09, 2021, 11:49 (35 days ago) @ Ironwood

I just heard that they will start administering second doses in May, so may not be the 4 month wait period.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:20 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

They doctors and nurses are recommending not to drink alcohol 72 hours before getting vaccinated and then not afterwards until you get the second dose. For some of you this will be more difficult than for others.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:27 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by Casa Juan @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:06 (35 days ago) @ Talley Ho

looks like marijuana is not a problem after vaccination? I had my second pfizer dose on 4/7, 4/8 was a lost day, fever/chills, body aches and no energy. Day 2 post 2nd dose I feel fine.:kingtut:

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, April 09, 2021, 15:39 (35 days ago) @ Casa Juan

We've had both doses (Pfizer) with no side effects. Which brand did you get?

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by Casa Juan @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 15:56 (35 days ago) @ frostbite

pfizer for me, maybe it was the sub zero temperatures the day after the second dose ? we have a winter without end in Alaska. Then in 3 weeks we will be complaining about mosquitos!

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by frostbite ⌂ @, Hamilton MT, Friday, April 09, 2021, 17:56 (34 days ago) @ Casa Juan

The mosquitoes in Alaska are pretty amazing. When I was flying up on the Slope in the summer, we often had to chase the caribou off the airstrips, because they'd get onto anything above the tundra to avoid those bugs as much as possible.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:42 (35 days ago) @ Talley Ho

A recent article from Prevention Magazine:

https://www.prevention.com/health/a35418316/alcohol-after-covid-19-vaccine/

Yes, I saw it. I believe you need to dig a little deeper into more respectable medical publications. I confirmed it in at least 2 more authoritative sources.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, April 09, 2021, 16:44 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

All of the references I read regarding alcohol and the immune system, refer to a POSSIBLE affect on the immune system of chronic alcoholics, not for the occasional drinker. The articles that suggest abstaining state that alcohol can cause dehydration which THEORETICALLY could make post vaccine symptoms more prominent. While I suppose there may be studies about vaccine effectiveness in chronic alcoholics, they would not be pertinent to apply to the occasional drinker. I think it is extremely unlikely that a celebratory drink after vaccination would effect the immune response. I’d be interested is any studies that show otherwise. I will freely admit I have been wrong before. It was the time I thought I was wrong and I wasn’t:stirpot:

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 18:17 (34 days ago) @ Timmac

All of the references I read regarding alcohol and the immune system, refer to a POSSIBLE affect on the immune system of chronic alcoholics, not for the occasional drinker. The articles that suggest abstaining state that alcohol can cause dehydration which THEORETICALLY could make post vaccine symptoms more prominent. While I suppose there may be studies about vaccine effectiveness in chronic alcoholics, they would not be pertinent to apply to the occasional drinker. I think it is extremely unlikely that a celebratory drink after vaccination would effect the immune response. I’d be interested is any studies that show otherwise. I will freely admit I have been wrong before. It was the time I thought I was wrong and I wasn’t:stirpot:

You may be right, amigo. That seems to be the U.S. consensus, the same country that somehow put a man on the moon in the 20th century and gave us President Biff the following one. :stirpot:

But in the UK and Russia there are different points of view.
How Alcohol May Affect Your Response to the COVID-19 Vaccine

And apparently Mexico's Dr. Hugo López-Gatell makes a similar recommendation.
¿Debo dejar de consumir bebidas alcohólicas si recibo vacuna anti covid-19? Ssa lo explica

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, April 09, 2021, 18:33 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well, in the first article those that are concerned about alcohol’s effect are not MDs, they are PhDs who are speaking theoretically. All of the physicians quoted in the article doubt that there would be an effect.

In the second article, he states it is theoretical rather than practical situation.

I would expect that a chronic alcoholic, who is likely to be poorly nourished, might have a diminished immune response.

Suggesting that a average person would have a diminished response because of a drink or two is a bridge too far.

The papers I have read suggest that poorly nourished people MIGHT have a diminished response. As far as I am aware there are no actual studies about this.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 19:34 (34 days ago) @ Timmac

Well, in the first article those that are concerned about alcohol’s effect are not MDs, they are PhDs who are speaking theoretically. All of the physicians quoted in the article doubt that there would be an effect.

In the second article, he states it is theoretical rather than practical situation.

I would expect that a chronic alcoholic, who is likely to be poorly nourished, might have a diminished immune response.

Suggesting that a average person would have a diminished response because of a drink or two is a bridge too far.

The papers I have read suggest that poorly nourished people MIGHT have a diminished response. As far as I am aware there are no actual studies about this.

Yes, an immunologist and a developer of one of the vaccines. Not just any PhD's. And yes, one of Mexico's leading public health officials. This is also what people are being told at the vaccination centers.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, April 09, 2021, 20:30 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

But the developer of the vaccine said it was not a problem——she said:

Alcohol consumption was not assessed as a variable in the large Phase 3 clinical trial,” she told Healthline. “We do not expect that occasional or moderate amount of alcohol ingestion to affect the response to the vaccine. And we are not requesting from subjects or the general public to abstain from alcohol around vaccination time.”

The one thing that has been studied, (sort of since it was in kids with different vaccines) was that NSAIDS (Advil, Aleve) do blunt the antibody response a bit but the patients still had protective levels

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by Quadra Paul @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 21:59 (34 days ago) @ Timmac

But the developer of the vaccine said it was not a problem——she said:

Alcohol consumption was not assessed as a variable in the large Phase 3 clinical trial,” she told Healthline. “We do not expect that occasional or moderate amount of alcohol ingestion to affect the response to the vaccine. And we are not requesting from subjects or the general public to abstain from alcohol around vaccination time.”

The one thing that has been studied, (sort of since it was in kids with different vaccines) was that NSAIDS (Advil, Aleve) do blunt the antibody response a bit but the patients still had protective levels

I just got my first shot in British Columbia. There was no mention of anything to do with alcohol consumption either in the handouts or verbally from the RN who administered the shot!

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by hromero ⌂ @, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 13:18 (34 days ago) @ Timmac

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, April 09, 2021, 22:13 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Well, in the first article those that are concerned about alcohol’s effect are not MDs, they are PhDs who are speaking theoretically. All of the physicians quoted in the article doubt that there would be an effect.

In the second article, he states it is theoretical rather than practical situation.

I would expect that a chronic alcoholic, who is likely to be poorly nourished, might have a diminished immune response.

Suggesting that a average person would have a diminished response because of a drink or two is a bridge too far.

The papers I have read suggest that poorly nourished people MIGHT have a diminished response. As far as I am aware there are no actual studies about this.


Yes, an immunologist and a developer of one of the vaccines. Not just any PhD's. And yes, one of Mexico's leading public health officials. This is also what people are being told at the vaccination centers.

There was no mention of it through two vaccinations in Jalisco.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:50 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I can tell you, as a study of one, my husband and I both had a glass or two of wine with our dinner after our shots. And, as a study of one, I can attest that I mounted a robust response to the shot. I will not go into detail, but suffice to say I have no concerns about a couple glasses of wine interfering with my immune response. Relayed only as a study of one.

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by JACK @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:29 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:47 (35 days ago) @ JACK

El Financiero is the last place I’d seek medical advice. I knew this would be difficult for some folks to accept.

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by Sunlight Dancer, Friday, April 09, 2021, 16:43 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

And don't take pain relievers (acetaminophen, ibuprofen, etc.) as a prophylactic measure for symptoms like pain at the injection site. They can interfere with the effectiveness of the vaccine. You can take a pain reliever that night if needed.

I had a sore arm and chills after dose 2 of Moderna. I kind of welcomed a bit of discomfort because that meant the medicine was doing what it's supposed to do. There was a LOT going on with the vaccine racing around, revving up T-cells and B-cells to protect me.

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, April 09, 2021, 16:56 (34 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

Actually the recommendation is to not take NSAIDS before a vaccine. The most common are Inuprofen (Motrin) and Naproxen (aleve). Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is not a NSAID and will not affect the immune system. Keep in mind that this advice is from a small study done on children with a completely different vaccine. The children who had taken an NSAID before immunization had a slightly lower, but still effective, antibody response.
The study found NO EFFECT for NSAIDS taken after vaccination.

Since both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are completely different than any other vaccines, it would be hard to generalize this study to them. The safest thing would be to rely on Tylenol rather than NSAIDS for a couple of days before and after.

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by Sunlight Dancer, Friday, April 09, 2021, 19:05 (34 days ago) @ Timmac

I realize you are a MD. Can you help me understand why you would recommend any OTC pain reliever before a vaccine if you don't know whether you will need it?

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by Timmac @, Steilacoom, WA, Friday, April 09, 2021, 20:34 (34 days ago) @ Sunlight Dancer

Some docs feel that having levels of an anti inflammatory prior to pain will blunt the response. Pain is mediated by a chemical called prostaglandin. The anti-inflammatory drugs blunt its production.

No one really knows the mechanism of action of Tylenol, although it’s probably central, but it is not an anti-inflammatory.

FWIW-we avoided NSAIDS before and after the shot both times, even though the only evidence for an effect I’d before the shot. We did take Tylenol for the sore arms. After the 2nd shot we were both fatigued for 24 hours. We got Moderna at a small pharmacy about 30 miles south of us.

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by Ironwood @, Friday, April 09, 2021, 19:23 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

They doctors and nurses are recommending not to drink alcohol 72 hours before getting vaccinated and then not afterwards until you get the second dose. For some of you this will be more difficult than for others.

That'll be a problem here in Canada, with the second doses expected four (4) months after the first. That's a long dry spell.

AVISO - ALCOHOL

by mindpilot, la Playa Buenavista, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:01 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I wish somebody had told me that before I got my first vax on Super Bowl Sunday.

No wonder the side effects were a lot like a hangover.:kingtut:

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:42 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
edited by jaui, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:55

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

2. Is a copy of el recibo de la CFE in the owner's name, acceptable for proof of address?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, April 09, 2021, 13:54 (35 days ago) @ jaui

Doubt it, it doesn't have your CURP on it.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:02 (35 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Re: "Doubt it, it doesn't have your CURP on it."

@Talley Ho
My TARJETA INAMPAM does have the CURP just above the photo on the left side.
It also has la fecha de cumpleaños también, as well as a local address.
Yours does not have it?

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:33 (35 days ago) @ jaui

I have to admit that I didn't get up to check it, just worked by memory.

You are so right, sorry I mouthed off inappropriately.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 14:50 (35 days ago) @ jaui

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

2. Is a copy of el recibo de la CFE in the owner's name, acceptable for proof of address?

Your Inapam card is not necessary. The address on the CFE bill needs to match your credencial or official ID.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Friday, April 09, 2021, 15:04 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yet another question: The CAPAZ bill is in my name, not the CFE. Think the CAPAZ bill will do?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 18:21 (34 days ago) @ Talley Ho

Yet another question: The CAPAZ bill is in my name, not the CFE. Think the CAPAZ bill will do?

Of course! So will your phone bill.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Friday, April 09, 2021, 15:13 (35 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

2. Is a copy of el recibo de la CFE in the owner's name, acceptable for proof of address?


Your Inapam card is not necessary. The address on the CFE bill needs to match your credencial or official ID.

4/09/2021

Thanks @Zihua Rob for the info :-)

To be safe and avoid any obstaculos, I will bring my rental agreement, which does match the address on the CFE bill.
The "Official" ID for us "extranjeros", (besides a Passport) would be our tarjeta RESIDENTE PERMANENTE.
A local address is not shown on those cards.

As a "just in case" / backup, I will have a copy of my INAPAM card, since it appears to be an "Official" type ID, and does contain relevant info such as D.O.B., CURP, & local address, though it may not be acceptable at the vaccination site.

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 21:43 (33 days ago) @ jaui
edited by jaui, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 23:35

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

Your Inapam card is not necessary. The address on the CFE bill needs to match your credencial or official ID.


As a "just in case" / backup, I will have a copy of my INAPAM card, since it appears to be an "Official" type ID, and does contain relevant info such as D.O.B., CURP, & local address, though it may not be acceptable at the vaccination site.

UPDATE April 10 2021

1. No use for an INAPAM card at the vaccination site.
2. Current CFE bill was accepted that doesn't match my "Credencial" / Official ID, which is mainly due to the fact that la credencial RESIDENTE PERMANENTE does not have a residence address on it:kingtut:

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 23:01 (33 days ago) @ jaui

What vaccine is being administered in Zihua now?

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 23:30 (33 days ago) @ Casa Juan

What vaccine is being administered in Zihua now?

4/10/2021
@Casa Juan

My understanding is that the Pfizer vaccine is the one.
TWO shots apparently are needed.

Two people I spoke with that were at El Coacoyúl vaccination site today, received their appointments for May 1st May 2nd already for shot number 2 of 2.

--
jaui

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by Casa Juan @, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 23:48 (33 days ago) @ jaui

Bueno

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Friday, April 09, 2021, 18:24 (34 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

2. Is a copy of el recibo de la CFE in the owner's name, acceptable for proof of address?


Your Inapam card is not necessary. The address on the CFE bill needs to match your credencial or official ID.

Unless Guerrero is different the addresses do not have to match anything. CFE with landlords' or spouses name is proof of address. We used our Residente Permanente cards for ID which have the CURP identifier. We're in Jalisco but its a Federal program and shouldn't vary that much.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 09, 2021, 19:35 (34 days ago) @ mexicoman

09 Abril 2021

1. ¿Sería útil para presentar la TARJETA INAPAM?

2. Is a copy of el recibo de la CFE in the owner's name, acceptable for proof of address?


Your Inapam card is not necessary. The address on the CFE bill needs to match your credencial or official ID.


Unless Guerrero is different the addresses do not have to match anything. CFE with landlords' or spouses name is proof of address. We used our Residente Permanente cards for ID which have the CURP identifier. We're in Jalisco but its a Federal program and shouldn't vary that much.

Guerrero is very different. :vivamexico:

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SUGERENCIA

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:49 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

My incredible loving wife arranged for someone to stand in line for me. He'll arrive around 4:00 AM with copies of all my documents so that he can get a number. When he gets close to the entrance he'll call me and I'll shoot on over with all my documents in order, so I'll be fresquecita como lechuga when it comes my turn. We would have done the same for Lupita had we known about the long lines and wait times.

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by mexicoman @, Playa Del Carmen, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 19:37 (33 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

My incredible loving wife arranged for someone to stand in line for me. He'll arrive around 4:00 AM with copies of all my documents so that he can get a number. When he gets close to the entrance he'll call me and I'll shoot on over with all my documents in order, so I'll be fresquecita como lechuga when it comes my turn. We would have done the same for Lupita had we known about the long lines and wait times.

Not so different after all?

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SUGERENCIA

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 10, 2021, 19:46 (33 days ago) @ mexicoman

My incredible loving wife arranged for someone to stand in line for me. He'll arrive around 4:00 AM with copies of all my documents so that he can get a number. When he gets close to the entrance he'll call me and I'll shoot on over with all my documents in order, so I'll be fresquecita como lechuga when it comes my turn. We would have done the same for Lupita had we known about the long lines and wait times.


Not so different after all?

Actually, thanks to an inside contact, I’ve already got my ficha, and my surrogate won’t have to be there so early. I may be in and out relatively early.

It’s my understanding things went much smoother today. Hopefully they’ll be even better tomorrow.