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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 22:02 (1785 days ago)


https://youtu.be/j7HZDaV0sUM

State health authorities report 14 currently active cases of Covid-19 in Zihuatanejo, 5 in Petatlán and 0 in La Unión. Still no word on the booster shots or vaccines for rezagados.

Las posadas continue in neighborhood after neighborhood, business after business. It's good to see everyone getting together, relaxing and having a good time. It's been a long stressful year.

Our downtown beach has become a lot more popular with all the restrictions on other beaches like El Palmar, La Ropa and Las Gatas. But I'm still not giving up on putting an end to the stupid and counterproductive Blue Flag. It keeps a lot of locals and visitors from being able to enjoy beaches like La Ropa and El Palmar and elsewhere where its restrictions are being applied for political favors more than anything else. My dear long-time friend Memo from Texas who comes every year used to take his lunch, a book, music, his chair and an umbrella and sit at a certain spot on La Ropa like he's been doing for decades, but he's been unable to do so this year because of the stupid rules. I'm hoping he'll resume doing so now that it appears the absurd rules are no longer being applied though there's been no official announcement (and I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting one). But frankly I no longer trust our local government to do the right thing and respect locals as well as our long-time historical visitors. They say one thing then do another, and they've told too many lies to be trusted any longer. Bummer.

I'm still hearing from lodging operators that they have lodgings available for the holidays, and of course there ae plenty of places available after the holidays if you want to miss the crowds.
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¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#NoBlueFlagEnNuestrasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

A loooooong wave at Playa La Madera.
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by mexicoman @, Mazatlán, Sinaloa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 08:06 (1784 days ago) @ ZihuaRob


https://youtu.be/j7HZDaV0sUM

State health authorities report 14 currently active cases of Covid-19 in Zihuatanejo, 5 in Petatlán and 0 in La Unión. Still no word on the booster shots or vaccines for rezagados.

Las posadas continue in neighborhood after neighborhood, business after business. It's good to see everyone getting together, relaxing and having a good time. It's been a long stressful year.

Our downtown beach has become a lot more popular with all the restrictions on other beaches like El Palmar, La Ropa and Las Gatas. But I'm still not giving up on putting an end to the stupid and counterproductive Blue Flag. It keeps a lot of locals and visitors from being able to enjoy beaches like La Ropa and El Palmar and elsewhere where its restrictions are being applied for political favors more than anything else. My dear long-time friend Memo from Texas who comes every year used to take his lunch, a book, music, his chair and an umbrella and sit at a certain spot on La Ropa like he's been doing for decades, but he's been unable to do so this year because of the stupid rules. I'm hoping he'll resume doing so now that it appears the absurd rules are no longer being applied though there's been no official announcement (and I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting one). But frankly I no longer trust our local government to do the right thing and respect locals as well as our long-time historical visitors. They say one thing then do another, and they've told too many lies to be trusted any longer. Bummer.

I'm still hearing from lodging operators that they have lodgings available for the holidays, and of course there ae plenty of places available after the holidays if you want to miss the crowds.
Vacation Rental Bungalows in Zihuatanejo, Ixtapa, Troncones & Barra de Potosí

¡Cuidemos nuestro patrimonio!
#NoBlueFlagEnNuestrasPlayas
#PreservemosPlayaManzanillo

A loooooong wave at Playa La Madera.
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What do Blue Flag rules have to do with it? We live a few blocks from Blue Flag designated beaches on the Caribbean coast of Mexico and routinely take our umbrella, chairs and cooler to the beach.

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by Diesel, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 08:50 (1784 days ago) @ mexicoman

10 beaches receive Blue Flag designation for a total of 63
Mexico leads the Americas for beaches that have achieved the international standard
Published on Thursday, June 11, 2020

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Mexico now has 63 beaches that have been awarded the Blue Flag distinction, an international standard operated by the Foundation for Environmental Education to certify that beaches, ships and marinas have met the organization’s stringent environmental, educational, safety and access-related criteria.

The Blue Flag is awarded by a national and international jury which announced yesterday the addition of 10 beaches to the list of 53 that had already been awarded the distinction. The decision puts Mexico in first place for the Americas in the number of Blue Flag beaches and 13th in the world.

Those added to the list, which will be allowed to fly the Blue Flag beginning July 1, include three in Los Cabos, Baja California Sur, two in Zihuatanejo, Guerrero; two in Puerto Progreso, Yucatán; one in Tulum, Quintana Roo; one in Ciudad Madero, Tamaulipas; and one in Puerto Peñasco, Sonora.

Baja California Sur leads the nation with 23 Blue Flag beaches, followed by Quintana Roo which has 21.

Among other requirements, Blue Flag beaches must offer environmental education activities, display a code of conduct, and provide information about water quality. Garbage cans, water, and restrooms are required, and lifeguards and first aid services must also be in place.

In municipalities with multiple Blue Flag beaches, at least one must be accessible for people with disabilities.

Tourism Minister Miguel Torruco announced the new additions with pride. “In this sense, and given the situation we are experiencing, safety, quality and hygiene take center stage, and initiatives such as the Blue Flag certification allow us to strengthen the image of Mexico worldwide.”

The new Blue Flag beaches are:

In Baja California: La Gaviota, Monument and El Surgidero, all in Los Cabos.
Guerrero: El Palmar III and La Ropa in Zihuatanejo.
Quintana Roo: Santa Fe in Tulum.
Tamaulipas: Playa Miramar in Ciudad Madero.
Sonora: Mannys Beach in Puerto Peñasco.
Yucatán: Malecón Internacional and Malecón Tradicional in Puerto Progreso.

Source: La Capital (sp), El Universal (sp)

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 09:51 (1784 days ago) @ mexicoman

What do Blue Flag rules have to do with it? We live a few blocks from Blue Flag designated beaches on the Caribbean coast of Mexico and routinely take our umbrella, chairs and cooler to the beach.

The Blue Flag is a farce. Mexican politicians pretend a beach can't be kept clean unless they get a feather in their cap (aka political curriculum vitae) with the Blue Flag and its accompanying budget that they then use to pay political favors. For example, even though tens if not hundreds of millions of pesos disappeared into the black-hole budget of so-called remodelación of Paseo del Pescador, there isn't one single garbage container along the entire walkway, and like previous remodelaciones it is already suffering from a lack of proper maintenance, which may be a good thing... If only those darn too-bright lamps would rust and fall over and the beach reclaim a couple of meters that it lost. But I digress...

Since El Palmar was designated a Blue Flag beach the purchasing power of the tourists who stay at the hotels there has declined, and it shows in the lack of sales in the shopping centers, many whose merchants have had to close. It's been close to 20 years now and though I keep challenging the government for numbers that show we have received ANY additional tourism from the Blue Flag designation they have been unable to provide or even to fabricate them. Not one single tourist has come to Ixtapa because it's beach is Blue Flag. And I submit the same goes for Playa La Ropa. Purchasing power of the visitors we are getting is declining, shops and services are hurting and closing, but the government stubbornly insists on applying the stupid rules. While they can't prove we've received one single additional tourist, I can prove we've lost visitors, tourists and part-time residents.

In the case of my friend Memo, the Blue Flag and the pandemia are being used as an excuse to ban people from using their own chairs and umbrellas and from bringing foodstuffs to the beach, same as it's used to ban people from blasting their own music on the beach, but hypocritically restaurants are allowed to put their chairs and umbrellas on the beaches and blast their own music. WTF?

The entire Blue Flag thing is a farce and I'm trying to open people's eyes so we can ditch it and folks can go back to freely enjoying the beaches as we're supposed to be able to do. I don't have time to fight this battle, but you would think by now the lodging operators would be all over this, except of course those corporate-owned hotels that can lower their prices below that of any locally-owned lodging and write it off their taxes as they've been doing for decades.

You don't earn your living where you live so you don't have any stake in this beyond personal comfort, but my family had come to rely on a certain level of purchasing power among our visitors for us to make a living from so that we don't have to sell trinkets made in China like so many other shops are doing. First violence drove people away, but when they started to return the stupid policies of self-serving politicians began running them away again. And here we are. And too many people are just fine with turning Zihuatanejo into Disneylandia, desecrating our community, its values and its principles. Of course, if they impoverish and dumb down the population then folks will cheer the government when they are told paving the beach and chopping down its iconic old shade trees and putting bright shiny lights and painted concrete in their place is "progress". Like the old Roman adage: If a slave never learns the concept of liberty he will not strive to attain it.

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by mexicoman @, Mazatlán, Sinaloa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 10:30 (1784 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

What do Blue Flag rules have to do with it? We live a few blocks from Blue Flag designated beaches on the Caribbean coast of Mexico and routinely take our umbrella, chairs and cooler to the beach.


The Blue Flag is a farce. Mexican politicians pretend a beach can't be kept clean unless they get a feather in their cap (aka political curriculum vitae) with the Blue Flag and its accompanying budget that they then use to pay political favors. For example, even though tens if not hundreds of millions of pesos disappeared into the black-hole budget of so-called remodelación of Paseo del Pescador, there isn't one single garbage container along the entire walkway, and like previous remodelaciones it is already suffering from a lack of proper maintenance, which may be a good thing... If only those darn too-bright lamps would rust and fall over and the beach reclaim a couple of meters that it lost. But I digress...

Since El Palmar was designated a Blue Flag beach the purchasing power of the tourists who stay at the hotels there has declined, and it shows in the lack of sales in the shopping centers, many whose merchants have had to close. It's been close to 20 years now and though I keep challenging the government for numbers that show we have received ANY additional tourism from the Blue Flag designation they have been unable to provide or even to fabricate them. Not one single tourist has come to Ixtapa because it's beach is Blue Flag. And I submit the same goes for Playa La Ropa. Purchasing power of the visitors we are getting is declining, shops and services are hurting and closing, but the government stubbornly insists on applying the stupid rules. While they can't prove we've received one single additional tourist, I can prove we've lost visitors, tourists and part-time residents.

In the case of my friend Memo, the Blue Flag and the pandemia are being used as an excuse to ban people from using their own chairs and umbrellas and from bringing foodstuffs to the beach, same as it's used to ban people from blasting their own music on the beach, but hypocritically restaurants are allowed to put their chairs and umbrellas on the beaches and blast their own music. WTF?

The entire Blue Flag thing is a farce and I'm trying to open people's eyes so we can ditch it and folks can go back to freely enjoying the beaches as we're supposed to be able to do. I don't have time to fight this battle, but you would think by now the lodging operators would be all over this, except of course those corporate-owned hotels that can lower their prices below that of any locally-owned lodging and write it off their taxes as they've been doing for decades.

You don't earn your living where you live so you don't have any stake in this beyond personal comfort, but my family had come to rely on a certain level of purchasing power among our visitors for us to make a living from so that we don't have to sell trinkets made in China like so many other shops are doing. First violence drove people away, but when they started to return the stupid policies of self-serving politicians began running them away again. And here we are. And too many people are just fine with turning Zihuatanejo into Disneylandia, desecrating our community, its values and its principles. Of course, if they impoverish and dumb down the population then folks will cheer the government when they are told paving the beach and chopping down its iconic old shade trees and putting bright shiny lights and painted concrete in their place is "progress". Like the old Roman adage: If a slave never learns the concept of liberty he will not strive to attain it.

As I said before WTF does Blue Flag certification have to do with anything you just said? You named several issues that are at the root of your problems. None regarding beaches being properly maintained. Zihuatanejo has fallen off the tourist track. To wit, the lack of flights from anywhere to ZIH. During the recent two years that we lived there our family and friends couldn't visit us unless they were willing to travel18+ hours. And worse an overnight in LA. From Oregon and Northern California. Damn those Blue Flag rules. I know none of this will sit well with your "true believers" but you have made up your own bogeyman. Keep pounding away at it. You may drive some more people away. Regarding my "personal comfort" that's what retirement is all about. Although our Mexican work visas are still valid I'll leave that to young bucks like you. Feliz Navidad!

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 12:56 (1784 days ago) @ mexicoman

As I said before WTF does Blue Flag certification have to do with anything you just said? You named several issues that are at the root of your problems. None regarding beaches being properly maintained. Zihuatanejo has fallen off the tourist track. To wit, the lack of flights from anywhere to ZIH. During the recent two years that we lived there our family and friends couldn't visit us unless they were willing to travel18+ hours. And worse an overnight in LA. From Oregon and Northern California. Damn those Blue Flag rules. I know none of this will sit well with your "true believers" but you have made up your own bogeyman. Keep pounding away at it. You may drive some more people away. Regarding my "personal comfort" that's what retirement is all about. Although our Mexican work visas are still valid I'll leave that to young bucks like you. Feliz Navidad!

One more time:
Blue Flag is being used here to prohibit people from taking foodstuffs to the beach, among other things. The result is that locals feel banned from Blue Flag beaches.

The pandemia is (or was) being used as an excuse to prohibit beach chairs and umbrellas.

Apparently you're unaware of the recent resumption of flights from Chicago, Minneapolis and San Francisco, among other places.

No "made-up bogeyman". Simply the perspective of working locals as compared to visitors/retirees/tourists who neither live like locals nor earn their living here. I wish you wouldn't mock a situation that has hurt our local tourism and our local prosperity. The only people I might drive away would be some overbearing and racist Republicans and folks looking for Acapulco, Cancún, Los Cabos, Disneyland, Vallarta or Miami Beach. I consider that a win for Zihuatanejo. We prefer not to suffer abuse for money. We aren't prostis. ;-)

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by El Fantasma, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 10:48 (1784 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Where does it say that with the Blue Flag designation come rules about not being able to bring your own chair and umbrella to the beach? Is there a document that actually states this or is this just an additional interpretation by the local powers that be?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 13:00 (1784 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Where does it say that with the Blue Flag designation come rules about not being able to bring your own chair and umbrella to the beach? Is there a document that actually states this or is this just an additional interpretation by the local powers that be?

Not sure why everyone keeps confusing the two things. There are conversations we had here months ago covering all this. Blue Flag is being used here to ban foodstuffs and drinks from beaches. The pandemia is being use to ban chairs and umbrellas. Both have ben bad for our tourism as well as for locals who want to go to the beach. We no longer feel welcome at La Ropa. Perhaps no big deal for some visitors but a big deal for us.

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by El Fantasma, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 14:38 (1784 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Ok, then let me ask the same question about food stuffs and drinks. Where is that prohibition published?

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by mexicoman @, Mazatlán, Sinaloa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 15:17 (1784 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Ok, then let me ask the same question about food stuffs and drinks. Where is that prohibition published?

None of your questions have anything to do with Blue Flag certification. Google Blue Flag. Zihuatanejo is conflating Blue Flag with the crazy restrictions that were placed on the beaches at the beginning of the pandemic by the city and/or the state. Good for the beach front restaurants, bad for everyone else. Does anyone remember having to walk through a pool of disinfectant to get on La Ropa? Some truly nutty stuff went on there and some of it has remained since March 2020.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 17:33 (1784 days ago) @ El Fantasma

Ok, then let me ask the same question about food stuffs and drinks. Where is that prohibition published?

I'll refer you to a previous posting. You can read it straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

Beach closing - confirmed - ZihuaRob, 2021-01-31

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by Lalo @, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 17:38 (1784 days ago) @ El Fantasma

On the signs as you enter the beach.

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 17:52 (1784 days ago) @ Lalo

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 17:58 (1784 days ago) @ Lalo

On the signs as you enter the beach.

I was just looking for a photo of one to post. Thanks. But as I keep repeating, it is the combination of the two sets of rules that has been most offensive.

I believe this is the same or similar as the signs at La Ropa. This one is from the pier from almost 8 years ago.
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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 15:48 (1784 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Just back from Playa la Ropa.

We carried our chairs, umbrella and lunch openly through the end of the Mercadito. We were welcomed by an official who put sanitizer in our hands. We were masked.

We sat on those chairs, under our umbrella and ate lunch and drank our beverages. LOVED IT!!! The last time we were able to sit on the beach and people watch was April 1, 2020.

We'll start being out there every other afternoon.

I was told, very authoritatively that the entrance next to La Perla is open. We'll check manana.

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by Casa Juan @, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 20:34 (1784 days ago) @ Talley Ho

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by Leemr @, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 21:06 (1784 days ago) @ Talley Ho

GOOD NEWS AT LAST. THANK YOU!!

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by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Thursday, December 23, 2021, 21:12 (1784 days ago) @ Leemr

Glad you are happy, but couldn't possibly be as happy as we are!!!

Isn't it wonderful??