Guest or …?
by mosesk 
, Ojai, CA, USA, Thursday, January 26, 2023, 10:26 (306 days ago)
More often than occasionally someone will invoke the
‘you’re only a guest here’ as the reason why someone should act one way or another.
I find myself reacting to that explanation.
I am a Residente Permanente of Mexico.
I pay income tax.
And I pay property taxes.
I am not a citizen and unlikely I ever will be.
Is there any merit or justification to consider me a ‘guest’.
Are only native born or naturalized people not guests?
On the other hand does anyone know the legal situation whereby my residency might be revoked or for that matter be expelled from the country?
I’m not expecting those outcomes but curious.
Thanks for your thoughts…
Guest or …?
by Padrino 
, San Diego/Rosarito, Thursday, January 26, 2023, 10:44 (306 days ago) @ mosesk
On the other hand does anyone know the legal situation whereby my residency might be revoked or for that matter be expelled from the country?
I’m not expecting those outcomes but curious.
This is a question for a qualified abogado/a mexicano/a.
Just curious, but if you have your residency and plan to live in Mexico more than 5 years, is there any reason you would not want to apply for Mexican citizenship?
Last, do you consider yourself a guest? I think the term most often used is ex-pat.
On the other hand does anyone know the legal situation whereby my residency might be revoked or for that matter be expelled from the country?
I’m not expecting those outcomes but curious.
This is a question for a qualified abogado/a mexicano/a.Just curious, but if you have your residency and plan to live in Mexico more than 5 years, is there any reason you would not want to apply for Mexican citizenship?
Last, do you consider yourself a guest? I think the term most often used is ex-pat.
Good questions.
It has never actually occurred to me to seriously apply for Mexican citizenship.
I spend my time between Mexico, USA, and SE Asia, particularly Thailand.
I don’t consider myself a guest. Perhaps it is a shortcoming or a blind spot.
For some reason I don’t like the term expat, but I’m willing to use it.
Guest or …?
by mindpilot , la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 27, 2023, 07:01 (305 days ago) @ Padrino
On the other hand does anyone know the legal situation whereby my residency might be revoked or for that matter be expelled from the country?
I’m not expecting those outcomes but curious.
This is a question for a qualified abogado/a mexicano/a.Just curious, but if you have your residency and plan to live in Mexico more than 5 years, is there any reason you would not want to apply for Mexican citizenship?
Last, do you consider yourself a guest? I think the term most often used is ex-pat.
I'm not a big fan of the term "expat" either. Sounds like someone who's had their Proud Boys membership revoked.
My big hang-up with Mexican citizenship is I'm really struggling learning Spanish, and I will likely never become proficient enough to qualify.
But I think I would, even as a citizen, still consider myself a guest. This is not in any way my land, and I'm very grateful that I'm allowed to carve out a very nice little piece of it to live on.
I realize I could be asked to leave at any point, either because of some governmental action or because a cartel decides they are going to reclaim land for the indigenous people...or something. Chances of either of those things happening are pretty slim. The real fear that hangs in the back of my mind is that the US is going do something incredibly stupid to solve the "immigration crisis" or the "drug problem" and Mexico will simply order all US citizens to leave.
On the other hand does anyone know the legal situation whereby my residency might be revoked or for that matter be expelled from the country?
I’m not expecting those outcomes but curious.
This is a question for a qualified abogado/a mexicano/a.Just curious, but if you have your residency and plan to live in Mexico more than 5 years, is there any reason you would not want to apply for Mexican citizenship?
Last, do you consider yourself a guest? I think the term most often used is ex-pat.
I'm not a big fan of the term "expat" either. Sounds like someone who's had their Proud Boys membership revoked.My big hang-up with Mexican citizenship is I'm really struggling learning Spanish, and I will likely never become proficient enough to qualify.
But I think I would, even as a citizen, still consider myself a guest. This is not in any way my land, and I'm very grateful that I'm allowed to carve out a very nice little piece of it to live on.
I realize I could be asked to leave at any point, either because of some governmental action or because a cartel decides they are going to reclaim land for the indigenous people...or something. Chances of either of those things happening are pretty slim. The real fear that hangs in the back of my mind is that the US is going do something incredibly stupid to solve the "immigration crisis" or the "drug problem" and Mexico will simply order all US citizens to leave.
oh yeah...the Spanish thing...
and the cartel thing...
and the American thing...
Guest or …?
by JeffMN , Minneapolis MN USA, Friday, January 27, 2023, 11:35 (305 days ago) @ mindpilot
Hey mindpilot - I applaud your making an effort to learn the language! I think that -- even if you're struggling with it -- says a lot about one's sense of belonging to any country or culture. Both in your own mind and in the eyes of the locals.
Guest or …?
by mindpilot , la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 27, 2023, 11:47 (305 days ago) @ JeffMN
Hey mindpilot - I applaud your making an effort to learn the language! I think that -- even if you're struggling with it -- says a lot about one's sense of belonging to any country or culture. Both in your own mind and in the eyes of the locals.
muchas gracias
Guest or …?
More often than occasionally someone will invoke the
‘you’re only a guest here’ as the reason why someone should act one way or another.
Well, Permanent Residents can be deported so you should probably act in a way that won't get you deported.
More often than occasionally someone will invoke the
‘you’re only a guest here’ as the reason why someone should act one way or another.
Well, Permanent Residents can be deported so you should probably act in a way that won't get you deported.
I was asking what are the grounds or conditions under which a Residente Permanente can have status revoked and/or be deported?
Unfortunately a google search is not proving helpful.
I was thinking members here may be smarter than google.
Guest or …?
by Little Guy , Thursday, January 26, 2023, 20:09 (306 days ago) @ mosesk
As a permanent resident for 10(?) years I appreciate being a contributing guest in Mexico.
As an analogy, I own a home. It is mine. I am not a guest in my home. Sometimes I will “grant” permission for someone to stay at my home. They are a “guest” as they have no “right” to be there, except to whatever extent that I extend the offer.
When I am in my country of citizenship, I am not a “guest” there; I have a right to be there. When I am in Mexico, because of the permission of the Mexican government, I consider myself to be a guest.
I try to be as good a guest here as I can be.
Guest or …?
by mosesk , Ojai, CA, USA, Thursday, January 26, 2023, 20:14 (306 days ago) @ Little Guy
As a permanent resident for 10(?) years I appreciate being a contributing guest in Mexico.
As an analogy, I own a home. It is mine. I am not a guest in my home. Sometimes I will “grant” permission for someone to stay at my home. They are a “guest” as they have no “right” to be there, except to whatever extent that I extend the offer.
When I am in my country of citizenship, I am not a “guest” there; I have a right to be there. When I am in Mexico, because of the permission of the Mexican government, I consider myself to be a guest.
I try to be as good a guest here as I can be.
Good viewpoint.
Valid and useful.
To carry the analogy a little further:
Do you ‘own’ a place here?
Does the concept of guest enter into that equation?
Guest or …?
by Little Guy , Friday, January 27, 2023, 07:26 (305 days ago) @ mosesk
The Mexican constitution does not permit me to have direct ownership of a home in this area. The Mexican government has permitted me to have a Mexican bank hold ownership of a property. It permits me to use that property as my home in Mexico. I remain a guest in Mexico.
I invite people to my home in Mexico. They remain as guests in my home without the same rights that I, the owner, have.
I sometimes rent my home to people for brief periods. They remain as guests without the same rights that I, the owner, have.
If my home in Mexico were further inland I could own it directly. In my mind, that would not change that I do not have a right to be in Mexico and therefore I remain a guest in Mexico.
The Mexican constitution does not permit me to have direct ownership of a home in this area. The Mexican government has permitted me to have a Mexican bank hold ownership of a property. It permits me to use that property as my home in Mexico. I remain a guest in Mexico.
I invite people to my home in Mexico. They remain as guests in my home without the same rights that I, the owner, have.
I sometimes rent my home to people for brief periods. They remain as guests without the same rights that I, the owner, have.
If my home in Mexico were further inland I could own it directly. In my mind, that would not change that I do not have a right to be in Mexico and therefore I remain a guest in Mexico.
Good thoughts.
As I understand it being a Permanent Resident 'allows' me to stay as long as I want?
I may not understand that correctly.
But I'm trying to integrate that understanding with the 'guest' concept.
Am I a 'permanent guest' until otherwise indicated?
I do realize we are somewhat belaboring the issue and the concept of 'guestry', but it's not totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned.
Guest or …?
by Little Guy , Friday, January 27, 2023, 09:09 (305 days ago) @ mosesk
Good thoughts.
As I understand it being a Permanent Resident 'allows' me to stay as long as I want?
I may not understand that correctly.
But I'm trying to integrate that understanding with the 'guest' concept.
Am I a 'permanent guest' until otherwise indicated?
My understanding is, my permanent residency means that I have permission to be a guest in Mexico without having to leave by a certain date and without having to seek annual renewal of the permission.
In my country of citizenship, I have not only the right to leave, importantly I have the constitutional right to enter the country. I cannot be denied entry.
As a permanent resident of Mexico I do not have a constitutional right to enter the country. If I were to violate Mexican laws, the Mexican government might decide that I am no longer a welcome guest.
Aside from the risk of revocation of residency status, I consider it important that I behave as a considerate guest. If I were a guest in your home, I would not tell you that the way you run your household is wrong or complain that you get up too early, or that I don’t like the music you listen to. That would be inconsiderate.
If you were to invite my comments, I would be gentle in my offerings.
Similarly, I don’t involve myself in how Mexico runs itself. I might have views about those things, but I don’t express them unless invited to. Even then, I would be gentle in my offerings.
(How to be a considerate host is a whole different discussion.)
Good thoughts.
As I understand it being a Permanent Resident 'allows' me to stay as long as I want?
I may not understand that correctly.
But I'm trying to integrate that understanding with the 'guest' concept.
Am I a 'permanent guest' until otherwise indicated?
My understanding is, my permanent residency means that I have permission to be a guest in Mexico without having to leave by a certain date and without having to seek annual renewal of the permission.In my country of citizenship, I have not only the right to leave, importantly I have the constitutional right to enter the country. I cannot be denied entry.
As a permanent resident of Mexico I do not have a constitutional right to enter the country. If I were to violate Mexican laws, the Mexican government might decide that I am no longer a welcome guest.
Aside from the risk of revocation of residency status, I consider it important that I behave as a considerate guest. If I were a guest in your home, I would not tell you that the way you run your household is wrong or complain that you get up too early, or that I don’t like the music you listen to. That would be inconsiderate.
If you were to invite my comments, I would be gentle in my offerings.
Similarly, I don’t involve myself in how Mexico runs itself. I might have views about those things, but I don’t express them unless invited to. Even then, I would be gentle in my offerings.
(How to be a considerate host is a whole different discussion.)
I appreciate your viewpoint and attitudes. Gives me something to think about.
I wonder how some citizens might view this?
I believe Rob is a citizen...and obviously rather outspoken in his views on many public matters.
Rob- if you are willing to make a comment on the rather undefined issue I have presented.
And any other citizens, or residents for that matter.
Let me make the obvious disclaimer.
I personally in no way seek to do anything to jeopardize my resident status in this country.
I believe I am a kind, considerate and respectful person.
But you know...as they say...s*** happens...
CHEERS everyone...enjoy the weekend...
Guest or …?
by mindpilot , la Playa Buenavista, Friday, January 27, 2023, 07:03 (305 days ago) @ Little Guy
