Is anyone else concerned about what is being reported via local news and FB groups for the last month?
Geronimo
Concerned
by midalake
, Friday, April 14, 2023, 06:30 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
Is anyone else concerned about what is being reported via local news and FB groups for the last month?
Geronimo
Examples??? There is lots of news in a month. 
Concerned
by Geronimo
, Playa Blanca, Friday, April 14, 2023, 07:01 (1306 days ago) @ midalake
If I have to spell it out, then I don’t think you have any concerns or don’t follow or read what I do. Just trying to get the pulse from the people who live here.
Concerned
by midalake
, Friday, April 14, 2023, 07:12 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
If I have to spell it out, then I don’t think you have any concerns or don’t follow or read what I do. Just trying to get the pulse from the people who live here.
I have been here since January 1st. But you can keep speaking in code if you want! Or maybe just sit on your pulse.
Concerned
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:48 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
If I have to spell it out, then I don’t think you have any concerns or don’t follow or read what I do. Just trying to get the pulse from the people who live here.
I have no idea what you're referring to. Towns in the sierra evacuating to the coast for lack of public security? Politicos planning on making millions for themselves developing the entire coast of Guerrero? The Petacalco plant that drives local air-conditioners polluting the nearby lagoon and surrounding villages? Narcos fighting for control of territories? The land rush of foreigners, corrupt politicians and narcos grabbing up the entire coast? The missing young man found dead near La Salitrera? MAGAts in our midst? You'll have to be more specific.
If I have to spell it out, then I don’t think you have any concerns or don’t follow or read what I do. Just trying to get the pulse from the people who live here.
I have no idea what you're referring to. Towns in the sierra evacuating to the coast for lack of public security? Politicos planning on making millions for themselves developing the entire coast of Guerrero? The Petacalco plant that drives local air-conditioners polluting the nearby lagoon and surrounding villages? Narcos fighting for control of territories? The land rush of foreigners, corrupt politicians and narcos grabbing up the entire coast? The missing young man found dead near La Salitrera? MAGAts in our midst? You'll have to be more specific.
Ooooh, is that all???
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Tim Sullivan
By the by, Rob, ur post clock is off by an hour
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Concerned
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:02 (1306 days ago) @ timixtapa
By the by, Rob, ur post clock is off by an hour
Good eye! I missed that. Let's see if I can fix it.
Concerned
by Geronimo
, Playa Blanca, Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:24 (1306 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Yes, all of the above, control of Zih and area has me concerned.
Geronimo
Concerned
by ZihuaRob
, Zihuatanejo, México, Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:06 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
Yes, all of the above, control of Zih and area has me concerned.
Geronimo
Why are you concerned? Didn't you know before coming here what was happening in Guerrero? I've been writing about it for decades. This is nothing. When I first got here the government was disappearing people, allegedly taking them for rides out over the ocean where they were pushed live out of planes and helicopters. You didn't think we actually had U.S. style police that would come save you during a home invasion, did you? Heck, rule of thumb here is that police don't show up until about 40 minutes after the last bullet is fired.
Maybe you aren't aware that the Ejército is building a base on Zihuatanejo's southern city limits, and 600 more Marinos have been added to their local presence Zihuatanejo-Ixtapa. Clearly it's nothing but a show of force, and it probably won't change anything since Petatlán has had a huge military base for years yet still had a narco presidente municipal and all kinds of problems in its sierra, but maybe they'll be put to better use than simply driving around in vehicles like mannequins on display.
If you're just a homeowner retiree you have little to fear other than the typical home invasion or theft of your vehicle or holdup after withdrawing money from a bank. It's the local business owners, especially those with local family members, who have been the prey of choice for lazy-ass bum criminals who want to steal what other people WORK for.
Concerned
by Geronimo
, Playa Blanca, Friday, April 14, 2023, 19:01 (1305 days ago) @ ZihuaRob
Of course I knew, it doesn’t mean that I just ignore what is happening around me in the community I live. I appreciate the honest feedback.
Geronimo
Concerns About Violence
by Little Guy
, Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:56 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
There are perceptions of risk and realities of risks.
First, there are demographic characteristics of the above. When I was studying social psychology, we read of research into self-perceptions of risks and realities of risks.
The demographic that was least concerned about being a victim of violence was males, aged 16-25. The demographic that was most concerned about being a victim of violence was males, aged over-65.
The demographic that was most likely to be a victim of violence was males, aged 16-25 and the demographic least likely was males aged over 65.
I have seen that perception dynamic repeatedly as family members and friends have aged.
I suggest there are a lot more males over 65 on this board than other demographics, skewing the perception of risk.
Being in the male, over-65 demographic I try to temper my perceptions with reality.
Second, there are those things that have the potential for significant impact on a community largely and those things that have the potential for significant impact on subsets of a community. I am glad I am not a young person trying to start my life in a Mexican state that has a multi-generational history of violence by government toward people and a history of muted government action when there is other violence toward people. Having said that, we have not seen the repression of the 1960s and 1970s for some time. Aguas Blancas lives on in the memories of some people in Guerrero, but it was almost 30 years ago.
Most non-war violence in most communities worldwide is between relatives or friends/known-acquaintances. Stay away from relatives who are disposed to violence and do not befriend people who are.
Yes, there are frightening killings in Guerrero and elsewhere in Mexico. Those killings are largely internecine warfare involving members of organized crime. The collateral deaths of those who are not involved in organized crime are terrible tragedies. They can devastate the lives of surviving family members. But we are well-advised to recognize those as the notable aberrations, not the norm.
I have a relative who is a retired RCMP officer who worked in major crimes. When his children were in their early 20s they were “shoestring-budget world travellers”. I asked him about his worries as they travelled. This hardened murder investigator said he was more worried about traffic that murder.
“People like you and me and my kids are unlikely to be murdered. We are more likely to die in an accident.”
Concerns About Violence
by Geronimo
, Playa Blanca, Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:54 (1305 days ago) @ Little Guy
I agree with you, the odds are low for any impact on me or my demographic. It’s the local people and businesses that are affected the most. If they can’t prosper nothing will change.
Concerns About Violence
by Little Guy
, Friday, April 14, 2023, 19:58 (1305 days ago) @ Geronimo
“Prosper”?
In the 40+ years that I have had involvement in the area, I have seen continual “prosperity”. Children born then had little prospect for economic prosperity. Streets in Zihuatanejo were still cobblestone. Electricity was unreliable. Tele-communications were almost non-existent. Prosperity has made those limitations things of the past.
Thirty years ago, people felt secure in their own community, but were frightened by other communities. I remember 30 years ago people in Troncones being afraid of people from Pantla, only about 15 kilometres away. For that matter, people in Troncones and La Majahua were afraid of each other and those communities are only five kilometres apart. The prosperity of the past years has brought those communities together.
Children in Troncones and La Majahua effectively had no access to secondary education. Getting from those communities to the secondary school in Lagunillas was impractical.
Twenty years ago, families in Troncones and La Majahua were largely subsistence farmers, ranchers and fishers. Getting products to market was challenging. As small portions of land were sold for residential and small hotel development, transportation infrastructure improved. Now I see the combis picking up kids who have finished primary school every morning taking them to school in Lagunillas. Their lives are much more prosperous than those of their parents, many of who were functionally illiterate.
Families who had sold unproductive land could acquire equipment to be more efficient and effective in agriculture and fishing and prosperity increased. Children grew up to be not just labourers but business operators. And those who were labourers were able to attract higher wages. I remember working in my yard 20 years ago and a gringo asking, “Why are you doing that? You can pay someone ten dollars a day to do a better job.” Not any more.
I could go on, but I’ll leave it at that, except to say that “prosperity” has costs. When I started my move to Troncones, we had no electricity, let alone internet or telephone. Prosperity has brought cellular service and wifi everywhere. Adults, teenagers, and even children are texting and talking using WhatsApp everywhere.
There was no “road” between Troncones and La Majahua. There didn’t have to be. Neither I nor almost anyone here could afford a vehicle. Now we deal with the noise of cars, trucks, motorcycles, ATVs, etc. from 6:00 a.m. until well after dark.
Prosper? I see and hear prosperity all around me. I might not like all of it, but it is here and I see it accelerating, not slowing.
Concerns About Violence
by mindpilot
, la Playa Buenavista, Saturday, April 15, 2023, 08:20 (1305 days ago) @ Little Guy

Concerns About Violence
by Zihuateco
, Saturday, April 15, 2023, 09:31 (1305 days ago) @ Little Guy
Thanks for the memories of how times have changed. I first came down in 1972. Back then the only concern was ice, I clearly recall now with a laugh hearing and praying that the ice willl arrive in 2 days unless a bridge is broken. It was a broken bridge that thankfully first brought me here. As a kid I ran along the beach, swam in a beautiful lagoon and ate coconut and huachinango daily. Parrots were plentiful and the moon danced across the bay.
Concerns About Violence
by mindpilot
, la Playa Buenavista, Saturday, April 15, 2023, 08:33 (1305 days ago) @ Little Guy
> There are perceptions of risk and realities of risks.
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First, there are demographic characteristics of the above. When I was studying social psychology, we read of research into self-perceptions of risks and realities of risks. [/quote]
Very true. Humans just seem to be wired to do risk assessment in the inverse; we will stand in the middle of a busy freeway worried about being struck by lightning.
Here in Montana I’m more worried about MAGA’s myself….and crazy tourist drivers. I’ll be on the beach there in Oct.
I've done a fair amount of traveling over the years and, as a group, Montana drivers are the worst. No clue about right of way and use of turn signals seems to be a waste of time.
Concerned
by Tere
, Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:31 (1306 days ago) @ Geronimo
I live here year-round and read/watch the news. I am not concerned.
Exactly what Tere said.
Concerned
by Ottawa Joe, Wednesday, May 03, 2023, 09:12 (1287 days ago) @ Talley Ho
Late to this but I thought that I would mention that I had lunch with some other motorcycle riders a few weeks ago and in conversation I told them about going to Bartles MC museum outside of Birmingham Alabama back in January. It is the worlds largest collection of vintage motorcycles displayed beautifully and worth a stop in if they are any where near the place on route to Florida. Both said they would not ever go there (US) and when asked why both said Americans have guns. That blew me away because they ride motorcycles in and around Ottawa with all the potential hazards but are worried about catching lead poisoning. A scientist friend said you cant compare those two things, really you cant compare the level of potential risk and harm to oneself, hmmmm. We did 9976.1km door to door travelling through many states and didnt see a single gun or have any insidents also avoided talking politics. 

