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“ Mexico, like most of the free world, is hoping that the women voters of the USA will preserve freedom and decency and prevent a fascist authoritarian government from taking over. Wouldn't that be wonderful? “

We let you down and the rest of the world, apparently we have too many voters without a friggin’ clue.

It’s amazing how fast you can drive without speed limits or guardrails! It’s all fun and games until the wheels start to come off…..

Lo siento y por favor perdónanos

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“ Mexico, like most of the free world, is hoping that the women voters of the USA will preserve freedom and decency and prevent a fascist authoritarian government from taking over. Wouldn't that be wonderful? “

We let you down and the rest of the world, apparently we have too many voters without a friggin’ clue.

It’s amazing how fast you can drive without speed limits or guardrails! It’s all fun and games until the wheels start to come off…..

Lo siento y por favor perdónanos

HATE & EVIL WIN IN THE USA.
Putin is extremely pleased with himself.
As world headlines reflect this morning, the rest of the world is extremely disappointed. The USA will never be seen the same again, much less trusted to do the right thing.

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“ Mexico, like most of the free world, is hoping that the women voters of the USA will preserve freedom and decency and prevent a fascist authoritarian government from taking over. Wouldn't that be wonderful? “

We let you down and the rest of the world, apparently we have too many voters without a friggin’ clue.

It’s amazing how fast you can drive without speed limits or guardrails! It’s all fun and games until the wheels start to come off…..

Lo siento y por favor perdónanos

HATE & EVIL WIN IN THE USA.
Putin is extremely pleased with himself.
As world headlines reflect this morning, the rest of the world is extremely disappointed. The USA will never be seen the same again, much less trusted to do the right thing.

During the Cold War, the Soviets quickly realized that they could never beat the United States militarily. Their only hope was for the U.S. to fall from within. They realized that race was the key to doing this. They tried to capitalize on the Civil Rights Movement but their ham-fisted efforts were for nought. Over one hundred years ago, Lenin said that the West will give Russia the tools to defeat the West and he was right. The Internet has given Russia and China the tools to turn us against ourselves. I have been praying for our country with Father David but I fear that we will become just like Russia, a kleptocracy with the rule of law only applying to those in power. The old saying that you should choose your enemies carefully because you will eventually become as they are is so true.

Nothing lasts for ever, including democracies.

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Amen Padrino, amen

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The democratic party officials who helped anoint Kamala with no public input have only themselves to blame for yesterday's result. God save the USA, we will need a lot of help in the next 4 years!

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The democratic party officials who helped anoint Kamala with no public input have only themselves to blame for yesterday's result. God save the USA, we will need a lot of help in the next 4 years!

What would you have done given the extraordinary circumstances? The primary process was long finished. I have my own ideas but they are all moot now.

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The democratic party officials who helped anoint Kamala with no public input have only themselves to blame for yesterday's result. God save the USA, we will need a lot of help in the next 4 years!

What would you have done given the extraordinary circumstances? The primary process was long finished. I have my own ideas but they are all moot now.

The extraordinary circumstances you refer to were the result of our democratic leaderships gross negligence and partially our own fault for ignoring the obvious and not pressuring our leadership to right the ship before it was too late. We allowed our leaders to gaslight us until it was too late to select any candidate other than Kamala Harris. We let them tell us that Biden was sharp as a tack, could outwork everyone around him and had no cognitive issues what so ever. This was demonstrably false on all levels and clearly apparent to anyone watching videos of Biden in the last two years. So we were left with a candidate who was so unpopular to Democrats that she had to drop out of the 2020 primaries two months before voting even began while 15 Democrats remained. As Democrat voters we need to take responsibility for this fiasco, find new leadership and figure out how to right the ship. Calling Trump a Fascist, Racist, and Dictator while relying on the Cheneys of all people for support certainly is not a winning strategy.

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The democratic party officials who helped anoint Kamala with no public input have only themselves to blame for yesterday's result. God save the USA, we will need a lot of help in the next 4 years!

What would you have done given the extraordinary circumstances? The primary process was long finished. I have my own ideas but they are all moot now.

The extraordinary circumstances you refer to were the result of our democratic leaderships gross negligence and partially our own fault for ignoring the obvious and not pressuring our leadership to right the ship before it was too late. We allowed our leaders to gaslight us until it was too late to select any candidate other than Kamala Harris. We let them tell us that Biden was sharp as a tack, could outwork everyone around him and had no cognitive issues what so ever. This was demonstrably false on all levels and clearly apparent to anyone watching videos of Biden in the last two years. So we were left with a candidate who was so unpopular to Democrats that she had to drop out of the 2020 primaries two months before voting even began while 15 Democrats remained. As Democrat voters we need to take responsibility for this fiasco, find new leadership and figure out how to right the ship. Calling Trump a Fascist, Racist, and Dictator while relying on the Cheneys of all people for support certainly is not a winning strategy.

Oh bullsh¡t. The criminal Orange Turd insurrectionist is all those things and worse. This is the result of low-information voters, racists, bigots, Fox News and Putin, who is celebrating his victory today. HATE & EVIL won the day. Trump IS a fascist. For those who voted for the Orange Turd, I can't wait to hear their excuses when things get worse, inflation skyrockets, the recession Biden managed to avoid happens, and the USA becomes a world pariah (again and permanently). Racists, bigots, misogynists and other self-centered assh0les won. Decency lost. The entire former Cabinet of the Orange Turd warned voters not to allow him back in power, and of course Fox News never reported it, so this is the result. And today's youth are so emotionally fragile and useless there won't be any backlash, just quiet acquiescence as they slide back into their online fantasy world and get on with playing games and living their phony online lives.

Esto es un hito en la historia por lo peor. Y todo el mundo lo sabe con la excepción de algunos estadounidenses. #PobrePuebloGringo

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Oh bullsh¡t. The criminal Orange Turd insurrectionist is all those things and worse. This is the result of low-information voters, racists, bigots, Fox News and Putin, who is celebrating his victory today. HATE & EVIL won the day. Trump IS a fascist. For those who voted for the Orange Turd, I can't wait to hear their excuses when things get worse, inflation skyrockets, the recession Biden managed to avoid happens, and the USA becomes a world pariah (again and permanently). Racists, bigots, misogynists and other self-centered assh0les won. Decency lost. a excepción de algunos estadounidenses. #PobrePuebloGringo

I cannot wait for the round-up of Brown and Black people, all while spending Billions to do it. It will be a hoot [sarcasm]

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As a "brown" person who grew up in a "black" neighborhood, we have been rounded up for years. I doubt they will put me in an internment camp as suggested today on "The View". Maybe a crazy house, but that is at the request of my wife and family; not last nights surprise, surprise, surprise. Latinos and Black males spoke. Let's just pray for health!!!!

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I second that bullsh!t, well stated Rob.

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“ Mexico, like most of the free world, is hoping that the women voters of the USA will preserve freedom and decency and prevent a fascist authoritarian government from taking over. Wouldn't that be wonderful? “

We let you down and the rest of the world, apparently we have too many voters without a friggin’ clue.

It’s amazing how fast you can drive without speed limits or guardrails! It’s all fun and games until the wheels start to come off…..

Lo siento y por favor perdónanos

HATE & EVIL WIN IN THE USA.
Putin is extremely pleased with himself.
As world headlines reflect this morning, the rest of the world is extremely disappointed. The USA will never be seen the same again, much less trusted to do the right thing.

During the Cold War, the Soviets quickly realized that they could never beat the United States militarily. Their only hope was for the U.S. to fall from within. They realized that race was the key to doing this. They tried to capitalize on the Civil Rights Movement but their ham-fisted efforts were for nought. Over one hundred years ago, Lenin said that the West will give Russia the tools to defeat the West and he was right. The Internet has given Russia and China the tools to turn us against ourselves. I have been praying for our country with Father David but I fear that we will become just like Russia, a kleptocracy with the rule of law only applying to those in power. The old saying that you should choose your enemies carefully because you will eventually become as they are is so true.

Nothing lasts for ever, including democracies.

Do mean to say laws will not apply to those in power?

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Do mean to say laws will not apply to those in power?

Precisely. This is what has happened in Russia. Although their Constitution gives citizens the right to freedom of expression, Putin and his allies have stifled all dissent, up to and including murder of his opponents. With a pliable Supreme Court, there is nothing that Agent Orange won't be able to get away with. All he has to say is that it was an official act of the Office of the President and voila!, he has carte blanche. He has already said that those who oppose him are less than human and he should have to right to use the military against them.

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On the bright side he only has 4 more years to do it. Thank God for term limits.

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On the bright side he only has 4 more years to do it. Thank God for term limits.

He has no intention of leaving after 4 years. With the help of the Supreme Court, they will find a way to pull a Putin and a Xi and have him continue. He has already said that we wouldn't have to ever vote again.

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As much as I don't like him I don't think he'll try to remain in power.I was scared (de facto) President Cheney would try this but it just fizzled and he faded into obscurity. And if one yahoo on a rooftop can make Drumpf bleed just think what 75 million outraged Democrats can do.

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DJ Jr. is just waiting for his turn so it won’t matter which year he finally steps down, they would never let Brown Nosin’ Vance advance any further as he’s a very useful puppet for them. Glad I’m not a young buck any longer….

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DJ Jr. is just waiting for his turn so it won’t matter which year he finally steps down, they would never let Brown Nosin’ Vance advance any further as he’s a very useful puppet for them. Glad I’m not a young buck any longer….

Vance will most definitely try to garner the support of the cabinet members and invoke the 25th Amendment, especially if Agent Orange commits simulated oral copulation in public again. He scares me much less than Agent Orange. At least, he understands the devastation of nuclear weapons. Agent Orange once asked his generals what is the use of having nuclear weapons if we can't use them. He is so much like Putin. They both have no regard for human life except their own.

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Most empires have lasted about 250 years. Ours is now 248 years old. This is the first time I've not regretted being an old fart.

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Exactamente!

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When you try to get a senile old man reelected, you get what you get. Biden should have never made it through the primary as it was very obvious by then. Lots of ostriches around here.

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When you try to get a senile old man reelected, you get what you get. Biden should have never made it through the primary as it was very obvious by then. Lots of ostriches around here.

So president "talk about peoples JUNK" is sane? :-(

I am not sure cult apologies will make things better in 4 years. It is a sickness when people defend DJT like he is family. But that is what a cult does.

I pray that I am 100% wrong.

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When you try to get a senile old man reelected, you get what you get. Biden should have never made it through the primary as it was very obvious by then. Lots of ostriches around here.

So president "talk about peoples JUNK" is sane?

I am not sure cult apologies will make things better in 4 years. It is a sickness when people defend DJT like he is family. But that is what a cult does.

I pray that I am 100% wrong.

Never said I was a Trump fan but the stock market sure appears to be. It seems like both sides work really hard to put up the worst candidate. Since I live under the wrath of Newsom, I’m already screwed but at least there is no snow or hurricanes here.

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Never said I was a Trump fan but the stock market sure appears to be. It seems like both sides work really hard to put up the worst candidate. Since I live under the wrath of Newsom, I’m already screwed but at least there is no snow or hurricanes here.

Regarding the stock market in an election year, the stock market usually reacts favorably when the election is decided. Sometimes that is before the election occurs when it is evident which party will win. In this case, the candidates were tied neck and neck so it was not evident which party would win.

If Agent Orange goes through with his promise of massive tariffs and deportations, that will definitely be a strong negative for the U.S. economy and the much-anticipated recession will be a doozy. (Note: The bond market has been predicting a recession for almost two years now and it has always been correct ever since World War II except for one instance in 1966. The Inverted Bond Yield Curve and the Economy.)

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The wealthiest 10% of U.S. households own 93% of the stock market.
The top 1% of households own 54% of the public equity markets.
The bottom 50% of Americans own only about 1% of all stocks.

So, the market is up? The market seems to like Trump? Now, what does that tell you? Oh, but it'll all trickle down. Not to worry.

What an unmitigated disaster this is....for Americans, for all of us. Never underestimate the ignorance of the common man....or woman.

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When you try to get a senile old man reelected, you get what you get. Biden should have never made it through the primary as it was very obvious by then. Lots of ostriches around here.

Blame the Democrats? Nonsense. Considering that most democratic countries are quite capable of running their entire election campaigns within a 4-6 week period, Harris's 3 months was plenty of time. In the end, it wouldn't have mattered who ran against Trump. Americans have revealed their true selves ....and it ain't pretty. In any normal society, Elmer Fudd would have been preferable to the clown you've chosen.

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David Brooks succinctly stated it in his opinion piece in todays NY Times. The Democrats over the years have more and more represented the college educated people on both coasts and not the person whose work did not revolve around pixels. Trump appealed to the people who twist wrenches or mop floors for a living and recognized in 2016 that they were not being given due attention. As frustration continued to build within this group they gravitated more to the Republican party. It's mind boggling how all the many polls did not pick up on this result.

I would be pretty pissed if I were a mega democratic donor right now.

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David Brooks succinctly stated it in his opinion piece in todays NY Times. The Democrats over the years have more and more represented the college educated people on both coasts and not the person whose work did not revolve around pixels. Trump appealed to the people who twist wrenches or mop floors for a living and recognized in 2016 that they were not being given due attention. As frustration continued to build within this group they gravitated more to the Republican party. It's mind boggling how all the many polls did not pick up on this result.

I would be pretty pissed if I were a mega democratic donor right now.

I don't disagree. But it apparently hasn't mattered that Biden's administration has done more, in four years, to address the systemic problems behind the average voter's anger than any of the recent Democratic administrations. Expecting Republicans to right the ship? Folly. Where was the rebirth under Reagan or the two Bushes? And even more ridiculous, to expect Trump - a seriously damaged individual - to lead that rebirth? Absolute folly.

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He's gonna drain the swamp, remember?

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David Brooks succinctly stated it in his opinion piece in todays NY Times. The Democrats over the years have more and more represented the college educated people on both coasts and not the person whose work did not revolve around pixels. Trump appealed to the people who twist wrenches or mop floors for a living and recognized in 2016 that they were not being given due attention. As frustration continued to build within this group they gravitated more to the Republican party. It's mind boggling how all the many polls did not pick up on this result.

I would be pretty pissed if I were a mega democratic donor right now.

I don't disagree. But it apparently hasn't mattered that Biden's administration has done more, in four years, to address the systemic problems behind the average voter's anger than any of the recent Democratic administrations. Expecting Republicans to right the ship? Folly. Where was the rebirth under Reagan or the two Bushes? And even more ridiculous, to expect Trump - a seriously damaged individual - to lead that rebirth? Absolute folly.

I agree with you 100%. Joe Biden was the first president to stand with a picket line. All Republicans have done is try to destroy Unions and workers' rights.

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Why did I serve 4 years as a grunt in the army, to see this?!? Another fascist ...but here! It's disgusting, damn draft dodger. My parents were in the CIA for gods sake and they voted Republican their whole lives but not this time. What is going on? Does anyone read or remember history? :wtf: I'm almost 60, glad I never had children. Now I need to convince my wife to become an ex-pat.
Anyone got a long term rental?

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Dick Cheney. 'nuff said.

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The first time a defendant won a Presidential election to avoid prison.
Even Tricky Dick Nixon and Liddy would be amazed by this development.

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Why do so many on this board have Trump Derangement Syndrome ?

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They all held their breath until they turned blue. :rollingonthefloorlaughing:

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Why do so many on this board have Trump Derangement Syndrome ?

I do not have a syndrome, just do not like consummate liars, Felons, and Traitors.

You should ask Ashli Babbitt what her syndrome is.

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Why do so many on this board have Trump Derangement Syndrome?

TDS implies that hating Trump is irrational. There aren't enough pixels in the world to list all the rational reasons thoughtful, mature adults should despise him.

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But yet he won by 5,000,000. I think that says as much about us as it does him. We need to figure out why this haopened if we are going to ever overcome Trumpism. This article might be a start.

What happened?

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Most empires have lasted 250 years. Ours is 248 years old. perhaps it's time for it to slide into history. Hopefully, with little pain.

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I'd love to read this article but the NYT paywall won't let me. I refuse to resubscribe.

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I'd love to read this article but the NYT paywall won't let me. I refuse to resubscribe.

It's by Bret Stephens and is mostly BS. He calls Dems "prigs and pontificators." It's not the voters' faults, it's the Dems, he says. Well excuse them for trying to be morally decent and educated! Educated people do tend to use words and concepts that uneducated people don't easily understand. Better to insult everyone, try to overthrow the government and to be a rapist!

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Whether or not it’s BS, the deomocrats (and I’m one of them) must find a way to validate their concerns and opinions and show them how the democratic platform is better for them. Calling them names, denigrating their opinions and intelligence while not meeting them on their grounds will guarantee they Republicans will continue to win.

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You only project your own shortcomings with such a childish remark, cult follower.

The better question is what compelled so many voters to vote for a traitor, a rapist, an insurrectionist, a racist, a con man, a psychopath, a pathological liar, and a morally bankrupt person? If you voted for him that makes you an enabler of those things, and it speaks extremely poorly of your judgement. But you've made Vladimir Putin extremely happy.

We'll see how all you voters feel when the cruelty starts and the USA starts acting more like Germany in the 1930's, rounding up millions of poor people who make your unsustainable lifestyle much more affordable than it would otherwise be, certainly more affordable than you deserve. You should be lamenting the loss of the GOOD & KIND USA and the arrival of its antithesis. The voters chose HATE over LOVE. That 1950's feeling ain't coming, and "America" ain't gonna be "great again". It just lost its greatness with this election.

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The American people voted and it’s ignorant to disregard what’s right in front of you- the majority of Americans were discontent with the current administration. Losing every branch of government should make that obvious. The Democrats ran a bad candidate and a bad campaign, end of story. This nonsense about cults and dictators etc has nothing to do with it.

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Surfguy - I couldn’t agree more.

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Ignorance. Those who voted for him. Sentencing day is 2 weeks away for his multiple felonies. Just because a demagogue achieves power through a vote doesn’t mean it’s rational or will be fine.
I had it just fine under Biden. Didn’t have to inject bleach or anything.
Rob, you said it all.

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The American people voted and it’s ignorant to disregard what’s right in front of you- the majority of Americans were discontent with the current administration. Losing every branch of government should make that obvious. The Democrats ran a bad candidate and a bad campaign, end of story. This nonsense about cults and dictators etc has nothing to do with it.

What's ignorant is to make excuses for supporting a vile human being, a traitor who traded national secrets for personal gain and likely got U.S. intelligence assets killed, a rapist, a racist, an insurrectionist. Fox News convinced low-information dumbed-down voters to vote against their interests. Others are simply racists, bigots and xenophobes who believe Haitian immigrants are eating the cats and dogs. You can try rationalizing all you want, but what comes next is on everyone who voted for the criminal traitor and insurrectionist. The majority of voters are the type of people most decent human beings loathe. Don't take my word for it. Watch how people from other nations respond. When inflation gets worse, what will your excuse be? When foreign leaders and people shun the USA except for commercial reasons, will you say the entire world is wrong?

Why were people discontent? Because Fox News told them inflation was Biden's fault and they believed it instead of blaming the corporations who are raking in record profits at the expense of the consumers. Low-information dumbed-down voters who lack critical thinking skills and who have no idea how the government or the economy works. Voters unaware that almost every single former Cabinet member from the previous Trump administration refused to support or endorse him. But he'll have more loyal sycophants this time around who won't hesitate to do his bidding while the Roberts Court gave him a blank check to break all the laws he wants.

If you think things are bad under Biden, strap yourself in. Hope you weren't hoping for cheaper healthcare, cheaper medicines, Medicare or Social Security. A GOP-led Congress under Trump will be gutting all that.

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I certainly don't support that egomaniacal, lying pervert, but if those hookers that reportedly gave him that golden shower, I'd be open to a contribution, if they're willing to give him another one during his inauguration at the White House. I wonder how Fox News would put a positive spin on that?

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This arrogance, name calling and false moral superiority simply because someone has a different perspective than you is what just cost them the election. Threatening every independent moderate with being labeled a nazi or garbage simply for not supporting the unelected dem nominee who can’t form a sentence or explain a policy seemed to be a winning strategy.

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This arrogance, name calling and false moral superiority simply because someone has a different perspective than you is what just cost them the election. Threatening every independent moderate with being labeled a nazi or garbage simply for not supporting the unelected dem nominee who can’t form a sentence or explain a policy seemed to be a winning strategy.

Thank you for repeating here what Fox News told you. A shame you apparently never actually bothered to see for yourself if Kamala, the former Attorney General (prosecutor for the literally-challenged) had any policies or could speak coherently. Millions of us with better educations than the average Fox News viewer thought she did quite well at expressing both her policies and herself.

But if you think she couldn't express a policy or finish a sentence, then you should be extremely disappointed in the Insurrectionist who has much lesser abilities in both than Kamala Harris, apart from his other monumental shortcomings.

If you're seeking acceptance, seek elsewhere. The adjectives you don't like being used to describe people who voted for the Insurrectionist are some of the kindest adjectives that could be applied.

"Independent moderate"? That's what you think you are? Yet you voted for the lying immoral treasonous narcissistic billionaire convicted of fraud and rape who offers nothing but hate for minorities and immigrants instead of the moderate Democrat who actually had the support of both Dems and sane Republicans. Nothing moderate about the Insurrectionist at all. All he's going to do for the working class besides make everything more expensive is take away your Affordable Care Act. You must be thrilled.

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I suspect that many didn’t vote as much for Trump as they did against Biden. Unfortunately, Biden didn’t admit he was holding a losing has. Has he not run, and had there been an open Democratic primary the odds,would have been better.

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To back up your point Rob, here is a headline from Ireland this morning…..

This is the lead in to an article in the Irish Times today ‘This is America now. It is a country that sees its authentic self reflected most clearly in the figure of a sexual predator, a racist, a misogynist, a fraudster, a felon, a coup monger, an inveterate liar and a senescent spewer of increasingly deranged and vulgar nonsense. The world must now come to terms with the undeniable fact that the US has freely and fairly chosen to embody its values in a man it knows damn well to be all those things.’

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To back up your point Rob, here is a headline from Ireland this morning…..

This is the lead in to an article in the Irish Times today ‘This is America now. It is a country that sees its authentic self reflected most clearly in the figure of a sexual predator, a racist, a misogynist, a fraudster, a felon, a coup monger, an inveterate liar and a senescent spewer of increasingly deranged and vulgar nonsense. The world must now come to terms with the undeniable fact that the US has freely and fairly chosen to embody its values in a man it knows damn well to be all those things.’

Oh, those Irish are too literate and they use too many big words for the simple-minded cult followers. All that goes right over their pointy little heads. But I'm seeing similar all over the world, except in Russia where they're ecstatic that the guy "on their side" won.

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Oh, those Irish are too literate and they use too many big words for the simple-minded cult followers. All that goes right over their pointy little heads. But I'm seeing similar all over the world, except in Russia where they're ecstatic that the guy "on their side" won.

This election was a PAINFUL reminder that 49.99% of America is BELOW average.

For those paying attention, 65% of the Republican Partys voters have no education beyond Highschool. :stirpot:

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Sir, your arrogance is unbelievable. It's obvious you think your sheet doesn't stink. In my lifetime, I've known some educated morons. On the flip side, I've known people without any formal education to be near geniuses.

Not all education comes from within the walls of academia.

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Sir, your arrogance is unbelievable. It's obvious you think your sheet doesn't stink. In my lifetime, I've known some educated morons. On the flip side, I've known people without any formal education to be near geniuses.

Not all education comes from within the walls of academia.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ;-)

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Oh, those Irish are too literate and they use too many big words for the simple-minded cult followers. All that goes right over their pointy little heads. But I'm seeing similar all over the world, except in Russia where they're ecstatic that the guy "on their side" won.

Lots of words accurately describe Trump. Since 2015/6 (actually, since whenever the creep started gracing the pages of the yellow press decades ago), my favourite has been "despicable". However, Robert Reich's Substack post today uses "loathsome" and I'm going to stick with that.

As for Russia and Ukraine, Trump promises to end their war "within 24 hours, because I know exactly how to speak to both of them." Comforting words.
Trump's "peace proposal" will have Putin keeping all of the territory he has already occupied, including the Crimea.....and a promise that Ukraine will never join NATO.....and when Zelensky objects to giving up a third of Ukraine and Ukrainian sovereignty, Trump will use Ukraine's "refusal to settle for peace" as the excuse to stop any further aid to Ukraine.
Next stop for Putin? Who knows?
(I tried using the word for the tiny country that borders Ukraine to the south: begins with the letter "M", and rhymes with "Nova" but it errored. Someone doesn't like M - - d - v a.)

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Oh, those Irish are too literate and they use too many big words for the simple-minded cult followers. All that goes right over their pointy little heads. But I'm seeing similar all over the world, except in Russia where they're ecstatic that the guy "on their side" won.

Lots of words accurately describe Trump. Since 2015/6 (actually, since whenever the creep started gracing the pages of the yellow press decades ago), my favourite has been "despicable". However, Robert Reich's Substack post today uses "loathsome" and I'm going to stick with that.

As for Russia and Ukraine, Trump promises to end their war "within 24 hours, because I know exactly how to speak to both of them." Comforting words.
Trump's "peace proposal" will have Putin keeping all of the territory he has already occupied, including the Crimea.....and a promise that Ukraine will never join NATO.....and when Zelensky objects to giving up a third of Ukraine and Ukrainian sovereignty, Trump will use Ukraine's "refusal to settle for peace" as the excuse to stop any further aid to Ukraine.
Next stop for Putin? Who knows?
(I tried using the word for the tiny country that borders Ukraine to the south: begins with the letter "M", and rhymes with "Nova" but it errored. Someone doesn't like M - - d - v a.)

Oops. Sorry about that. A leftover from an old spam-fighting session. I've removed it and now Moldova is fine to use.

Yes, the future U.S. president is in the pocket of Putin and his oligarch pals. No doubt about that. But because Fox News never reported it, the cult won't believe it.

Mexico's president knows well how to handle the narcissist, but there's probably nothing she can do to keep his new playmate Elon Musk, also a Putin stooge, from withdrawing the Tesla plant he was going to build near Monterrey, Nuevo León because of the promised tariffs.

On a side note, one hysterical thing that's been going down is the reaction of cult followers when they actually learn what tariffs are. The idiots all thought other countries were going to pay them. Another big OOPS. All roads in the coming administration lead to Russia, while the USA is about to ruin its own booming economy, an economy that Joe Biden built back up after the Insurrectionist left it in shambles, as every Republican administration since Reagan has done, in favor of a few billionaires.

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When all else fails like your party did, Rob always resorts to name calling

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I’m old enough to remember when you could have a debate and walk away friends. When people on different sides of the political isle could have a discussion without resorting to grade school name calling. Apparently those days are gone. One quote that stuck in my mind went like this, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser .”

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I’m old enough to remember when you could have a debate and walk away friends. When people on different sides of the political isle could have a discussion without resorting to grade school name calling. Apparently those days are gone. One quote that stuck in my mind went like this, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser .”

Two observations:

1) It is not slander if what is said is true.

2) You are correct that political discussions have become shouting matches. Juvenile name calling is rampant, especially from a certain individual who enjoy chaos and flouting the rule of law.

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I’m old enough to remember when you could have a debate and walk away friends. When people on different sides of the political isle could have a discussion without resorting to grade school name calling. Apparently those days are gone. One quote that stuck in my mind went like this, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser .”

I've been trying to think of an appropriate response to "Why can't we have a debate and walk away friends?" I'm sure Republicans said this, with appropriate hand-wringing, when they refused to even consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court because 10 months was "too close to the election."

I couldn't think of a better, more "hitting-the-nail-on-the-head" explanation of why sitting around singing Kumbayah with MAGA Republicans isn't in the cards, than Heather Cox Richardson's "Letters from an American" It's a long read, but worth every minute.

"November 21, 2024 (Thursday)

Today, former Florida representative Matt Gaetz withdrew his name from consideration for the office of attorney general. He did so shortly after CNN told him that they were going to report that the House Ethics Committee had been told there were witnesses to yet another sexual encounter between Gaetz and a minor in 2017. There was already evidence that he had sent more than $10,000 to two women who later testified in sexual misconduct investigations. The notes explaining the payments said things like: “Love you,” “Being my friend,” “Being awesome,’ and “flight + extra 4 u.”

Trump transition spokesperson Alex Pfeiffer told Will Steakin of ABC News that discussions of Gaetz’s payments “are meant to undermine the mandate from the people to reform the Justice Department.”

Gaetz’s withdrawal turns attention to Trump’s pick for secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth. As host of the weekend edition of Fox & Friends, Hegseth has no relevant experience to run a crucial United States government department, let alone one that oversees close to 3 million personnel and a budget of more than $800 billion.

According to Heath Druzin of the Idaho Capital Sun, Hegseth has close ties to an Idaho Christian nationalist church that wants to turn the United States into a theocracy.

Jonathan Chait of The Atlantic did a deep dive into Hegseth’s recent books and concluded that Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.” Hegseth’s books suggest he thinks that everything that does not support the MAGA worldview is “Marxist,” including voters choosing Democrats at the voting booth. He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

Like Gaetz, Hegseth is facing stories about sexual assault. Yesterday, officials in Monterey, California, released a police report detailing a 2017 sexual assault complaint against Hegseth. The report recounts chilling details of a drunk Hegseth blocking a California woman from leaving a hotel room and then sexually assaulting her. A nurse reported the alleged assault after the woman underwent a rape exam. Hegseth says the encounter was consensual, but he paid the woman a settlement in exchange for a nondisclosure agreement. He was never charged.

Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Linda McMahon, is also short on experience in the field of the department she has been tapped to oversee. She once incorrectly claimed to have a bachelor’s degree in education when she was trying to get a seat on the Connecticut Board of Education and is known primarily for her work building World Wrestling Entertainment. And she, too, has been entangled in a sex abuse scandal. In October, five men filed a lawsuit claiming that she and her husband, Vince McMahon, were aware that former ringside announcer Melvin Phillips was assaulting “ring boys” who were as young as 13.

A spokesperson for the Trump transition said of McMahon’s misrepresented credentials: “These types of politically motivated attacks are the new normal for nominees ready to enact President Trump’s mandate for common sense that an overwhelming majority of Americans supported two weeks ago.”

But Trump’s pick for director of national intelligence makes McMahon look like a prize. As military scholar Tom Nichols points out in The Atlantic, former representative TulsI Gabbard is “stunningly unqualified” to oversee all of America’s intelligence services, including the Central Intelligence Agency. Nichols notes that her constant parroting of Russian talking points and her cozying up to Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad make her “a walking Christmas tree of warning lights” for our national security.

Former Republican governor of South Carolina Nikki Haley suggested that Gabbard is “a Russian, Iranian, Syrian, Chinese sympathizer” who has no place at the head of American intelligence. A Russian state media presenter refers to Gabbard as “our girlfriend” and as a Russian agent.

And then there is Trump’s tapping of Robert Kennedy Jr. to head the Department of Health and Human Services. Kennedy has no training in medicine or public health and, in addition to being a prominent critic of the vaccines that have dramatically curtailed disease and death in the U.S., is an outspoken critic of the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Institutes of Health.

There are a number of ways to think about Trump’s appointments. The people he has picked have so little experience in the fields their departments handle that Erin Burnett of CNN suggested that he is simply choosing them from “central casting”—a favorite phrase of his—to look as he imagines such officials should. Indeed, as Zachary B. Wolf of CNN pointed out, while President Joe Biden vowed to make his Cabinet look like America, Trump’s picks look “exactly like Fox News.” Trump has actually tapped a number of television hosts for different positions.

That so many of his appointees have histories of sexual misconduct is also striking, and underlines both that they share his determination to dominate others and that they do not think rules and laws apply to them.

But there is another pattern at work, as well. In a piece he published on November 15 in his “Thinking about…” newsletter, scholar of authoritarianism Timothy Snyder explained that destroying a country requires undermining five key zones: “health, law, administration, defense, and intelligence.” The nominations of Kennedy, Gaetz, Hegseth, and Gabbard, as well as the tapping of billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to run the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, to destroy the administration of the government, are, according to Snyder, a “decapitation strike.”

“Imagine that you are a foreign leader who wishes to destroy the United States,” Snyder writes. “How could you do so? The easiest way would be to get Americans to do the work themselves, to somehow induce Americans to undo their own health, law, administration, defense, and intelligence. From this perspective,” he explains, “Trump's proposed appointments—Kennedy, Jr.; Gaetz; Musk; Ramaswamy; Hegseth; Gabbard—are perfect instruments. They combine narcissism, incompetence, corruption, sexual incontinence, personal vulnerability, dangerous convictions, and foreign influence as no group before them has done.”

But that destruction of the United States is so far still aspirational. The constant references to Trump’s supposed “mandate” are misleading. He did not win 50% of the vote, meaning that more voters chose someone other than Trump in the 2024 election than voted for him, and even many of his voters appear to have misunderstood his policies.

According to Jonathan Karl of ABC News, Trump’s loyalists have tried to shore up support for his nominees in the Senate by threatening the Republican senators: "If you are on the wrong side of the vote, you’re buying yourself a primary. That is all. And there’s a guy named Elon Musk who is going to finance it.”

That threat is a direct assault on the Constitution, which gives to the Senate the power to advise the president on senior appointments and requires their consent to a president’s choices, and one that also hands the U.S. government over to an international billionaire. Forcing a leader’s political party to get into line behind that leader is the first task of an authoritarian, who needs that unified support in order to attack political opponents.

But, so far, the threat hasn’t worked: it could not save Gaetz in the face of public outcry.

Almost as soon as Gaetz withdrew his name, Trump presented former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi as his replacement for the attorney general post. In March 2016, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) found that the Trump Foundation illegally donated $25,000 to support Bondi at a time when she was considering joining a lawsuit against Trump University. Her office ultimately decided not to join the lawsuit.

Bondi defended Trump in his first impeachment trial, during which she was a frequent guest on the Fox News Channel. She supported Trump’s campaign to insist—falsely—that he won the 2020 presidential election. She is also a registered lobbyist for Qatar.

Meanwhile, Republican perceptions of the economy have changed abruptly. As Philip Bump of the Washington Post notes, since Trump’s election, there’s been a 16-point drop in the percentage of Republicans who say they were doing worse a year ago than they are now.

While that change is due to Trump’s election, in fact Biden’s policies continue to deliver. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters today that for the second year in a row, the average price of a Thanksgiving dinner has fallen. According to the American Farm Bureau, that price fell 5% this year, with the cost of turkey down 6%. Gasoline to travel for the holiday is also down to its lowest point in more than three years, by about 25 cents per gallon since this time last year, falling to below $3.00 a gallon in almost 30 states.

Tonight, Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo suggested that Americans should keep scorecards of the country’s economic numbers, “charting where inflation, unemployment and GDP were at the end of Biden’s term and regularly updating it with Trump’s latest numbers.” He noted that “the country is now covered with embryonic factories, businesses, economic redevelopment projects and more courtesy of Joe Biden’s CHIPS act and the Inflation Reduction Act,” and predicted that Trump will claim credit for all Biden accomplished.

Keeping track would help preserve those projects in the face of threatened Republican cuts and at the same time prevent Trump from being able to claim more credit for his administration than it has earned.

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Unfortunately, as qualified and eloquent as Heather Cox Richardson is on the subject, cult followers don't understand all those big words or abstract concepts. It hurts their heads (a symptom of their own cognitive dissonance). They think their cult leader is infallible, as you can detect in the comments some of his cult followers have posted here. They are clueless about what's going down and what's about to happen, though some are apparently giddy with glee that millions of hardworking brown-skinned people are about to be rounded up like animals and deported, and that belies their own moral shortcomings and lack of understanding of contemporary history and why things are the way they are. I've asked each and every one of them to comment on the fact that they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR and an INSURRECTIONIST yet not one of them has an answer other than to try to deny he's any of those things. The USA's justice system has failed it woefully. In contrast, Brazil's ex-president Bolsonaro was just indicted for basically the same things the :tangerine: :pileofpoo: did. Apparently Brazil's justice system works better than the USA's. On January 20 the USA will become the very banana republic it so often accuses other countries including Mexico of being.
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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

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"This is no longer a post-electoral moment. It is a pre-catastrophic moment.

Trump voters are caught in the notion that Trump must be doing the right thing if Harris voters are upset. And Harris voters will have to get past the idea that Trump voters should reap what they have sown.

Yes, some of them did vote to burn it all down. But if it all burns down, we all burn with it."

https://snyder.substack.com/p/decapitation-strike

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Given a choice, I would rather have immigration than a Republican Party>>>MAGA B-)

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Politics is Politics and a departing Party has sour grapes.

Many Locals refer to Bravo having sour grapes towards Allec.

Some of the shared stories are incredible.

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Politics is Politics and a departing Party has sour grapes.

Many Locals refer to Bravo having sour grapes towards Allec.

Some of the shared stories are incredible.

My wife is a family member to both, and we're unaware of any such sentiment.

In the case of the USA it's an issue of MORALITY. You don't put a TRAITOR, a CRIMINAL or an INSURRECTIONIST in the White House. Period. That takes an unimaginable lapse in judgement, or incredible prejudice. For Christians, it's like they willfully voted for the person who best fits the description of their anti-Christ.

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For Christians, it's like they willfully voted for the person who best fits the description of their anti-Christ.

Maybe some are thinking that the anti-Christ must come before the Second Coming, so advancing the anti-Christ is advancing God’s will of the Second Coming.

That type of twisted logic certainly applies to some. They believe that the Second Coming is preceded by the reestablishment of the “historical Israel”.

This requires the acquiring of “Samaria and Judea”, i.e., the West Bank. So full annexation of those lands, along with full Israeli possession of Jerusalem is necessary. Any American politician who advances those is “doing God’s will” and any who do not support the goals are, well, you know…

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In the case of the USA it's an issue of MORALITY. You don't put a TRAITOR, a CRIMINAL or an INSURRECTIONIST in the White House. Period. That takes an unimaginable lapse in judgement, or incredible prejudice. For Christians, it's like they willfully voted for the person who best fits the description of their anti-Christ.

Which reminds me to, I suppose, say a small prayer of thanks that, once again, Trump won't be visiting Canada during his term. He didn't come last time: either he doesn't know, or doesn't care that we exist only a few miles north of his old stomping grounds, or "his people" told him he'd receive a very frosty, even hostile, welcome.
This time, we don't have to worry: convicted felons are not permitted entry. Whew!
And Lindsey Graham wouldn't be welcome either. The MAGATS want to impose tariffs on any country that would bar entry to the charming Bibi Netanyahu, after the International Criminal Court has designated him a war criminal. Canada has the nerve to be a member of the ICC. Not surprisingly, both the USA and Israel are not. Graham, that pathetic little imposter to anything "Senatorial" says, about Canada: "We'll crush their economy."

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

None of what I wrote is true or attributable to Trump?

Inflation for Obama 4 years. 1.4 Inflation was low under Trump
Trump 4 years 1.9
Biden. 3+years 5.2

Unemployment Trump. 2017 4.4. Unemployment was low under Trump
2018 4.0
2019 4.0
2020 3.6
Anything under 5% is considered full employment .

Illegal border crossings by year: 2017. 310K Illegal immigration was much lower than under Biden.
2018. 404K
2019. 859K
2020. 402K
Biden 2021. 1.7 Million
2022 2.2 Million

Gasoline Prices by year. 2017 2.47 per gallon The price of fuel much lower than under Biden.
2018. 2.36
2019 2.55
2020. 2.19
Biden 2021. 3.30
2022. 3.21
2023 3.13

Someone once said it's the economy stupid.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

None of what I wrote is true or attributable to Trump?

Inflation for Obama 4 years. 1.4 Inflation was low under Trump
Trump 4 years 1.9
Biden. 3+years 5.2

Your CULT LEADER was part of the reason FOR the WORLDWIDE INFLATION. Certainly not President Biden, who like all Democratic presidents since Reagan, has had to clean up the mess from the previous Republican administration.

Unemployment Trump. 2017 4.4. Unemployment was low under Trump
2018 4.0
2019 4.0
2020 3.6
Anything under 5% is considered full employment .

HA HA HA HA HA! You've got to be kidding! We all know that thanks to President Obama your cult leader inherited a booming economy. Absolutely NOTHING your cult leader did brought down unemployment numbers, but you're welcome to try to name something. And we all know that's NOT the unemployment number President Biden inherited. You're ZERO for TWO.

Illegal border crossings by year: 2017. 310K Illegal immigration was much lower than under Biden.
2018. 404K
2019. 859K
2020. 402K
Biden 2021. 1.7 Million
2022 2.2 Million

You don't even know what those numbers are. They're INTERACTIONS, not crossings. And they're nowhere near that today. I notice you didn't bother with today's numbers. Couldn't you find them on the Fox News website or what? And if your cult leader had allowed the Border Bill to be passed instead of getting spineless Republican politicians to block it, the number could be much lower than what it is now.

Gasoline Prices by year. 2017 2.47 per gallon The price of fuel much lower than under Biden.
2018. 2.36
2019 2.55
2020. 2.19
Biden 2021. 3.30
2022. 3.21
2023 3.13

Ah yes, gas prices today, THAT NO PRESIDENT CONTROLS, are still lower than what they were, no thanks to anything any Republican politician did. Since there was LOW DEMAND during the pandemia (yeah, I know these abstract concepts are difficult for cult followers), prices were low, then the pandemia ended and there was a spike because of HIGH DEMAND at the same time there were WORLDWIDE SUPPLY problems.

Someone once said it's the economy stupid.

I'll take the ability to COMPREHEND STATISTICS over any flippant sound bite comment by James Carville any day.

If you think you won some argument, fine with me. I'm happy to let you underscore my previous comments about cult followers.

Republicans haven't fixed a single problem since Reagan. They trash the economy, the following Democratic administration fixes it, Republicans block any progress then blame the Democrats for the lack of progress, and the cycle repeats. Your cult leader is inheriting one of the best economies ever, if not the best. We already know he and you will give him credit for it instead of where credit is due, but what you don't know is that he's going to trash it again. He's already begun and he hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you'll blame Biden and Obama.

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I’m sure Biden’s executive orders within the first month of office to reverse nearly every Trump era strict immigration policy had nothing to do with the spike…

Calling others fascist while advocating to freeze our bank accounts and put us in concentration camps for not getting a Covid shot…

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

None of what I wrote is true or attributable to Trump?

Inflation for Obama 4 years. 1.4 Inflation was low under Trump
Trump 4 years 1.9
Biden. 3+years 5.2

Your CULT LEADER was part of the reason FOR the WORLDWIDE INFLATION. Certainly not President Biden, who like all Democratic presidents since Reagan, has had to clean up the mess from the previous Republican administration.

Unemployment Trump. 2017 4.4. Unemployment was low under Trump
2018 4.0
2019 4.0
2020 3.6
Anything under 5% is considered full employment .

HA HA HA HA HA! You've got to be kidding! We all know that thanks to President Obama your cult leader inherited a booming economy. Absolutely NOTHING your cult leader did brought down unemployment numbers, but you're welcome to try to name something. And we all know that's NOT the unemployment number President Biden inherited. You're ZERO for TWO.

Illegal border crossings by year: 2017. 310K Illegal immigration was much lower than under Biden.
2018. 404K
2019. 859K
2020. 402K
Biden 2021. 1.7 Million
2022 2.2 Million

You don't even know what those numbers are. They're INTERACTIONS, not crossings. And they're nowhere near that today. I notice you didn't bother with today's numbers. Couldn't you find them on the Fox News website or what? And if your cult leader had allowed the Border Bill to be passed instead of getting spineless Republican politicians to block it, the number could be much lower than what it is now.

Gasoline Prices by year. 2017 2.47 per gallon The price of fuel much lower than under Biden.
2018. 2.36
2019 2.55
2020. 2.19
Biden 2021. 3.30
2022. 3.21
2023 3.13

Ah yes, gas prices today, THAT NO PRESIDENT CONTROLS, are still lower than what they were, no thanks to anything any Republican politician did. Since there was LOW DEMAND during the pandemia (yeah, I know these abstract concepts are difficult for cult followers), prices were low, then the pandemia ended and there was a spike because of HIGH DEMAND at the same time there were WORLDWIDE SUPPLY problems.

Someone once said it's the economy stupid.

I'll take the ability to COMPREHEND STATISTICS over any flippant sound bite comment by James Carville any day.

If you think you won some argument, fine with me. I'm happy to let you underscore my previous comments about cult followers.

Republicans haven't fixed a single problem since Reagan. They trash the economy, the following Democratic administration fixes it, Republicans block any progress then blame the Democrats for the lack of progress, and the cycle repeats. Your cult leader is inheriting one of the best economies ever, if not the best. We already know he and you will give him credit for it instead of where credit is due, but what you don't know is that he's going to trash it again. He's already begun and he hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you'll blame Biden and Obama.

I've got it now, thanks for explaining it. Everything good that happened during the Obama Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything good that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything bad that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Trump's policies. All the downturns in the economy during the Biden Administration were because of Trump's policies. If the next four years go well it will be because of Biden's policies if not it's Trump's fault.
As I'm sure you know the reason illegal immigration is down now is because the Dems read the polls and realized that their open border was wildly unpopular with voters. After claiming for over 3 years that there was nothing the Administration could do to stem the flow they suddenly figured out how to do it just before an election. It' a miracle.
There's nothing apparent from the last four years that would indicate that if Harris had won the border would again be thrown wise open.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

None of what I wrote is true or attributable to Trump?

Inflation for Obama 4 years. 1.4 Inflation was low under Trump
Trump 4 years 1.9
Biden. 3+years 5.2

Your CULT LEADER was part of the reason FOR the WORLDWIDE INFLATION. Certainly not President Biden, who like all Democratic presidents since Reagan, has had to clean up the mess from the previous Republican administration.

Unemployment Trump. 2017 4.4. Unemployment was low under Trump
2018 4.0
2019 4.0
2020 3.6
Anything under 5% is considered full employment .

HA HA HA HA HA! You've got to be kidding! We all know that thanks to President Obama your cult leader inherited a booming economy. Absolutely NOTHING your cult leader did brought down unemployment numbers, but you're welcome to try to name something. And we all know that's NOT the unemployment number President Biden inherited. You're ZERO for TWO.

Illegal border crossings by year: 2017. 310K Illegal immigration was much lower than under Biden.
2018. 404K
2019. 859K
2020. 402K
Biden 2021. 1.7 Million
2022 2.2 Million

You don't even know what those numbers are. They're INTERACTIONS, not crossings. And they're nowhere near that today. I notice you didn't bother with today's numbers. Couldn't you find them on the Fox News website or what? And if your cult leader had allowed the Border Bill to be passed instead of getting spineless Republican politicians to block it, the number could be much lower than what it is now.

Gasoline Prices by year. 2017 2.47 per gallon The price of fuel much lower than under Biden.
2018. 2.36
2019 2.55
2020. 2.19
Biden 2021. 3.30
2022. 3.21
2023 3.13

Ah yes, gas prices today, THAT NO PRESIDENT CONTROLS, are still lower than what they were, no thanks to anything any Republican politician did. Since there was LOW DEMAND during the pandemia (yeah, I know these abstract concepts are difficult for cult followers), prices were low, then the pandemia ended and there was a spike because of HIGH DEMAND at the same time there were WORLDWIDE SUPPLY problems.

Someone once said it's the economy stupid.

I'll take the ability to COMPREHEND STATISTICS over any flippant sound bite comment by James Carville any day.

If you think you won some argument, fine with me. I'm happy to let you underscore my previous comments about cult followers.

Republicans haven't fixed a single problem since Reagan. They trash the economy, the following Democratic administration fixes it, Republicans block any progress then blame the Democrats for the lack of progress, and the cycle repeats. Your cult leader is inheriting one of the best economies ever, if not the best. We already know he and you will give him credit for it instead of where credit is due, but what you don't know is that he's going to trash it again. He's already begun and he hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you'll blame Biden and Obama.

I've got it now, thanks for explaining it. Everything good that happened during the Obama Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything good that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything bad that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Trump's policies. All the downturns in the economy during the Biden Administration were because of Trump's policies. If the next four years go well it will be because of Biden's policies if not it's Trump's fault.
As I'm sure you know the reason illegal immigration is down now is because the Dems read the polls and realized that their open border was wildly unpopular with voters. After claiming for over 3 years that there was nothing the Administration could do to stem the flow they suddenly figured out how to do it just before an election. It' a miracle.
There's nothing apparent from the last four years that would indicate that if Harris had won the border would again be thrown wise open.

Two standouts. The border has NOT been open since before 1900. To help you in your quest of knowledge. Inflation started in April of 2021 with a jump to 4.2% less than three months after Biden took office.
It should be super easy for you to post the Biden Policy that was responsible.
I will wait.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

None of what you wrote is true or is attributable to the Insurrectionist. He didn't fix anything, including the border, and he's not going to fix anything this time. But thanks for demonstrating that my previous comments were true: not one cult follower comments on the fact they voted for a CRIMINAL, a TRAITOR, a SEXUAL PREDATOR or an INSURRECTIONIST. It isn't hate that people have against him, it's a desire not to have such an immoral incapable untrustworthy irresponsible person in the White House. Last time all he did was enrich himself and try to use the government to take out vengeance against people he didn't like, and that's all he's going to do this time. The fact you all keep ignoring that he's such an obvious threat to the country and to the world only speaks poorly about you and your lack of good judgement. There is no good excuse to have voted for him, but thanks to Fox News, low-information voters, and hateful people, once again innocent people will suffer and die needlessly while he continues enriching himself and spreading his lies and hate. The part of U.S. society that supports him is seriously mentally ill.

None of what I wrote is true or attributable to Trump?

Inflation for Obama 4 years. 1.4 Inflation was low under Trump
Trump 4 years 1.9
Biden. 3+years 5.2

Your CULT LEADER was part of the reason FOR the WORLDWIDE INFLATION. Certainly not President Biden, who like all Democratic presidents since Reagan, has had to clean up the mess from the previous Republican administration.

Unemployment Trump. 2017 4.4. Unemployment was low under Trump
2018 4.0
2019 4.0
2020 3.6
Anything under 5% is considered full employment .

HA HA HA HA HA! You've got to be kidding! We all know that thanks to President Obama your cult leader inherited a booming economy. Absolutely NOTHING your cult leader did brought down unemployment numbers, but you're welcome to try to name something. And we all know that's NOT the unemployment number President Biden inherited. You're ZERO for TWO.

Illegal border crossings by year: 2017. 310K Illegal immigration was much lower than under Biden.
2018. 404K
2019. 859K
2020. 402K
Biden 2021. 1.7 Million
2022 2.2 Million

You don't even know what those numbers are. They're INTERACTIONS, not crossings. And they're nowhere near that today. I notice you didn't bother with today's numbers. Couldn't you find them on the Fox News website or what? And if your cult leader had allowed the Border Bill to be passed instead of getting spineless Republican politicians to block it, the number could be much lower than what it is now.

Gasoline Prices by year. 2017 2.47 per gallon The price of fuel much lower than under Biden.
2018. 2.36
2019 2.55
2020. 2.19
Biden 2021. 3.30
2022. 3.21
2023 3.13

Ah yes, gas prices today, THAT NO PRESIDENT CONTROLS, are still lower than what they were, no thanks to anything any Republican politician did. Since there was LOW DEMAND during the pandemia (yeah, I know these abstract concepts are difficult for cult followers), prices were low, then the pandemia ended and there was a spike because of HIGH DEMAND at the same time there were WORLDWIDE SUPPLY problems.

Someone once said it's the economy stupid.

I'll take the ability to COMPREHEND STATISTICS over any flippant sound bite comment by James Carville any day.

If you think you won some argument, fine with me. I'm happy to let you underscore my previous comments about cult followers.

Republicans haven't fixed a single problem since Reagan. They trash the economy, the following Democratic administration fixes it, Republicans block any progress then blame the Democrats for the lack of progress, and the cycle repeats. Your cult leader is inheriting one of the best economies ever, if not the best. We already know he and you will give him credit for it instead of where credit is due, but what you don't know is that he's going to trash it again. He's already begun and he hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you'll blame Biden and Obama.

I've got it now, thanks for explaining it. Everything good that happened during the Obama Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything good that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Obama's policies. Everything bad that happened during the Trump Administration was because of Trump's policies. All the downturns in the economy during the Biden Administration were because of Trump's policies. If the next four years go well it will be because of Biden's policies if not it's Trump's fault.

Being intentionally dense about events and misinterpreting what I wrote doesn't help any argument you're trying to make.

As I'm sure you know the reason illegal immigration is down now is because the Dems read the polls and realized that their open border was wildly unpopular with voters. After claiming for over 3 years that there was nothing the Administration could do to stem the flow they suddenly figured out how to do it just before an election. It' a miracle.

The border was never open. And if RePUKElicans wanted it fixed, it would've been long ago. They didn't fix anything last time. They only made everything worse, which appears to be their policy once again. But the immigration process remains broken in spite of having a lower number of crossings than when the Insurrectionist left office.

There's nothing apparent from the last four years that would indicate that if Harris had won the border would again be thrown wise open.

We'll never know. You voted to put a CRIMINAL, TRAITOR and RAPIST in the White House, and all he wants is to make himself richer, remain in power and to take out revenge against anyone who ever ticked him off. I hope you didn't actually think he cared about anything YOU wanted. I hear there's already capital flight by the wealthy in spite of having an authoritarian oligarchy coming into power. I guess the wealthy don't trust him after all. Almost as if they feared a foreign takeover.

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You voted to put a CRIMINAL, TRAITOR and RAPIST in the White House, and all he wants is to make himself richer, remain in power and to take out revenge against anyone who ever ticked him off.

All true. But you make the mistake of thinking they care about Trump's moral decadence, or care about public policy. They don't. In fact his sleazoid, criminal behavior is a bonus. All the rest is just irrational flapping of the lips.

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Correct. We are just brainless deplorables who vote only to support our cult and have no ability to think for ourselves or vote for interests that suit our family, community and businesses. Only if you vote Democrat are you entitled the agency to arrive at the correct candidate for yourself.

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Correct. We are just brainless deplorables who vote only to support our cult and have no ability to think for ourselves or vote for interests that suit our family, community and businesses. Only if you vote Democrat are you entitled the agency to arrive at the correct candidate for yourself.

Correct. Republicans are party over country. Serious tribal overtones too.

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Correct. We are just brainless deplorables who vote only to support our cult and have no ability to think for ourselves or vote for interests that suit our family, community and businesses.

Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

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Correct. We are just brainless deplorables who vote only to support our cult and have no ability to think for ourselves or vote for interests that suit our family, community and businesses.

Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

So if you didn’t vote for the dem candidate who got zero votes in the primaries and was shoved into the race after Biden shit his pants in the debate you’re a moron. What’s joke. Good luck winning over independents with this strategy

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Correct. We are just brainless deplorables who vote only to support our cult and have no ability to think for ourselves or vote for interests that suit our family, community and businesses.

Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

So if you didn’t vote for the dem candidate who got zero votes in the primaries and was shoved into the race after Biden shit his pants in the debate you’re a moron. What’s joke. Good luck winning over independents with this strategy

The Dems literally voted for Kamala. What a lame excuse you use for voting for someone who tried to overthrow the U.S. government and overturn an election, for a TRAITOR who has sold the USA out to the murderer and war criminal Putin, the Saudi butcher, Xi, and Kim Jong Un. Someone who has already weakened the U.S. military and other important institutions before he's even taken office. Putin is certainly right to be ecstatic to see his useful idiot win the White House. Sonny boy, don't expect respect from any decent human being when you support a traitor, a criminal, a racist, a rapist, and an insurrectionist. Ours isn't a difference of opinion, it's a difference of morals. Just like I have no use for racists, I have no use for anyone who supports the morals you do. Say your piece and move on, because like a cat batting around a half dead bug for mild amusement, I've become bored with you and all the other cult followers. Mexico is not a place where people like you should be.

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Right on!

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Surfguy, you're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump.> >

This is that same poster "deal[ing] rationally" to my post.

Actually Jack Smith requested the charges be dropped "without prejudice", meaning they can be refiled in the future. Trump’s lawyers agreed to the terms. Clever of Smith. Negligent of Trump’s lawyers.>

Surfguy's "rational" response:

We will rejoice at the public execution of Jack smith and Anthony fauci next January.

If a comment like that is acceptable to you, I'm afraid you have traveled too far down the rabbit hole to save.

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Patronizing and insulting people you disagree with is not going to change the outcome of the election. I don’t speak for anyone besides myself (obviously), something that I think would humble you and help your cause, but I personally voted for him because I thought he was more fit for office than Kamala regardless of the names you call him. That’s it. It’s not complicated. Outside of this forum no one cares if you hate him or his appointees, so continue to scream into the void if it brings you peace or conversely listen to your friends and neighbors and let them tell you why they voted for him and try to reach common ground.

Surfguy, you're fighting a losing battle. You're trying to deal rationally, without patronizing or insulting, with people who harbor a visceral hatred for Trump. There is nothing you could say or facts you could present that could possibly overcome this hatred. The best thing people can do at this point is take solace in the fact that none of the gloom and doom that they are predicting now actually happened in his first term. In fact inflation was low, unemployment was low, fuel prices were low, the border was more secure and there was no major conflicts or wars around the globe.

I fully expected that Heather Cox Richardson's comments would go right over the heads of Trump apologists.

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What?

The pepole in China have brown skin?

Is that true?

Are you sure?

The last time l was there l did not see any.

The next time l will look more.

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When all else fails like your party did, Rob always resorts to name calling

I didn't call anyone any names. Just accurate and extremely polite adjectives considering what the dumbed-down voters just did. What "name" did you find offensive? Idiot? What would you call someone who votes for a traitor, a rapist, a racist, an insurrectionist, a bigot, a misogynist, a convicted fraud, a pathological liar, and a Russian asset for president because they thought he was going to bring the prices of gas, eggs and bacon down by applying tariffs to cheap imported goods? Idiot is a kind word in this case.

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses, not on the shortcomings of the candidate’s personal life. Calling the majority of Americans “idiots” is why you just got smoked nationwide in every branch of government and will probably be how you get 8 years of JD after this.

I used to visit this site to check in on local Zih happenings but the one side hateful political rhetoric is nuts. Who actually pays to advertise on this site?

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses, not on the shortcomings of the candidate’s personal life. Calling the majority of Americans “idiots” is why you just got smoked nationwide in every branch of government and will probably be how you get 8 years of JD after this.

I used to visit this site to check in on local Zih happenings but the one side hateful political rhetoric is nuts. Who actually pays to advertise on this site?

This is my personal website. No one pays me to put it here. I help perfect strangers out of the kindness of my heart. People who've been visiting my website for over 25 years know that.

And I'd again call your attention to your own lack of information. There is no nationality "American". But don't take my word for it, check your passport. Out of an eligible voting population of around 240 million, less than 150 million voted, and they certainly didn't all vote for the rapist traitor, so careful tossing around that word "majority".

Yes, low-information voters certainly are within their rights to commit the biggest mistake in the history of the nation. I notice you don't actually address the problems. You just keep insisting you're right. Exactly as the voters in Nazi Germany did. Idiots don't like facing the fact that they're idiots instead of asking why they were so poorly informed as to vote against their own interests and put an immoral criminal in the highest office of the land.

Do you not understand the words TRAITOR or RAPIST? Or do you just not care because your racism is a stronger motivator? I'm curious.

You realize all the rest of the civilized nations will no longer be sharing intelligence with the USA. No one will trust the USA with your cult leader in the Oval Office. You have successfully made the USA a world pariah (again) and a banana republic. What makes you think narcissistic billionaires care about anything but their money, and in your cult leader's case, staying out of jail?

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses.

No no Surfdude. You don't get off that easy. You're absolutely right that you get to vote for whomever you choose for whatever reason you choose. But there is no shortage of Republicans who could advance whatever braindead policies you'd like, not just Trump. No, you wanted this guy specifically; you wanted him because he is the bad-boy biker who flaunted all the rules and laws; you wanted him because he's an authoritarian jerk with fascist ambitions; you wanted him despite the fact that he's shown conclusively that he's an ignorant, incompetent, criminal dufus; you wanted him specifically because he'll stick it to the libs. So don't come at us with that 'policies' crap. It's not gonna fly here.

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses.

No no Surfdude. You don't get off that easy. You're absolutely right that you get to vote for whomever you choose for whatever reason you choose. But there is no shortage of Republicans who could advance whatever braindead policies you'd like, not just Trump. No, you wanted this guy specifically; you wanted him because he is the bad-boy biker who flaunted all the rules and laws; you wanted him because he's an authoritarian jerk with fascist ambitions; you wanted him despite the fact that he's shown conclusively that he's an ignorant, incompetent, criminal dufus; you wanted him specifically because he'll stick it to the libs. So don't come at us with that 'policies' crap. It's not gonna fly here.

I think you’ve got it figured out, 75 million voters just want brain dead policies they don’t care about inflation, immigration or safety. They’re probably only high school graduates, not really smart enough to understand complicated policies like us highly educated folks. They’re so easily misled maybe their votes should only count as half votes. That would solve all the problems.

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Don’t forget these 75 million people are also all clearly motivated by racism despite their obvious diverse cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds.

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

https://youtu.be/fCFtiqzFCLg?si=FU3qeYsrp2ZfzWy9

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

https://youtu.be/fCFtiqzFCLg?si=FU3qeYsrp2ZfzWy9

The only people who have been duped voted for a lying CRIMINAL & TRAITOR. You have no argument to make here. Only rebuke and humiliation awaits you.

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

Oh I've been lied to plenty, daily in fact, by right-wing media and politicians. But unlike you I'm well-educated, keenly aware, and grounded in reality. So it's child's play to see through their shoddy deceptions, deceptions aimed directly at their dimwitted base. And like good little Stepford children, they slurp down those lies, like injecting crack. It's the insidious power of propaganda. And that's why tens of millions believe that the last four years have been a disaster, when in reality the country is, and has been, doing very well, except for our politics.

Don't come around here with that weak stuff.

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

Oh I've been lied to plenty, daily in fact, by right-wing media and politicians. But unlike you I'm well-educated, keenly aware, and grounded in reality. So it's child's play to see through their shoddy deceptions, deceptions aimed directly at their dimwitted base. And like good little Stepford children, they slurp down those lies, like injecting crack. It's the insidious power of propaganda. And that's why tens of millions believe that the last four years have been a disaster, when in reality the country is, and has been, doing very well, except for our politics.

Don't come around here with that weak stuff.

If you're correct and Trump won because all his voters are "dimwits" what is your solution to this problem? We either have bring these dimwits up to our educational level or try to dumb downtime Democrat voters to dimwit levels. This would be a herculean task given the numbers involved. Since around 31% of Republicans are college educated that would equate to approximately 23 million college educated voters who voted for Trump. Maybe we should be considering other possibilities for the Harris lost.
Being highly educated doesn't necessarily translate into common sense. Perhaps these "dimwitted Stepford children" posses undetectable common sense. Perhaps when you tell them that the economy is doing great while they're accruing credit card debt to purchase food for their families and gas for their cars, or going without altogether, maybe they don't believe you. They may not be highly educated but when the administration tells them over and over again that the border is secure while they can see with their now eyes millions of people walking across the border unabated they sense some thing is wrong. When they see vicious Venezuelan street gangs suddenly appear in 15 U.S. states and literally take over apartment complexes they find that troubling.

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Will you please post real accounts of these Venezuelan gangs that are taking over apartment complexes? I've never heard or seen anything about this.

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

Oh I've been lied to plenty, daily in fact, by right-wing media and politicians. But unlike you I'm well-educated, keenly aware, and grounded in reality. So it's child's play to see through their shoddy deceptions, deceptions aimed directly at their dimwitted base. And like good little Stepford children, they slurp down those lies, like injecting crack. It's the insidious power of propaganda. And that's why tens of millions believe that the last four years have been a disaster, when in reality the country is, and has been, doing very well, except for our politics.

Don't come around here with that weak stuff.

If you're correct and Trump won because all his voters are "dimwits" what is your solution to this problem? We either have bring these dimwits up to our educational level or try to dumb downtime Democrat voters to dimwit levels. This would be a herculean task given the numbers involved. Since around 31% of Republicans are college educated that would equate to approximately 23 million college educated voters who voted for Trump. Maybe we should be considering other possibilities for the Harris lost.
Being highly educated doesn't necessarily translate into common sense. Perhaps these "dimwitted Stepford children" posses undetectable common sense. Perhaps when you tell them that the economy is doing great while they're accruing credit card debt to purchase food for their families and gas for their cars, or going without altogether, maybe they don't believe you. They may not be highly educated but when the administration tells them over and over again that the border is secure while they can see with their now eyes millions of people walking across the border unabated they sense some thing is wrong. When they see vicious Venezuelan street gangs suddenly appear in 15 U.S. states and literally take over apartment complexes they find that troubling.

Thank you for providing one more example of dimwits aka low-information voters misled by the lies and propaganda of Fox News into believing falsehoods and managing to somehow forget that the Orange Turd is a CRIMINAL and a TRAITOR who stole classified intelligence and had private conversations with the USA's principal adversary. What do YOU think they spoke about? The Orange Turd BLOCKED fixing the border, so he must not really care about it.

Nope, no Venezuelan gangs are taking over anything, but Putin's propaganda appears to be taking over some dimwit minds.

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/11/politics/tren-de-aragua-transnational-criminal-organization

I guess cnn and the Biden admin are spreading dim witted Russian propaganda.

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/11/politics/tren-de-aragua-transnational-criminal-organization

I guess cnn and the Biden admin are spreading dim witted Russian propaganda.

Did you even read the article? Nothing I said was incorrect, and it certainly wasn't refuted by the article you posted. :snicker:

And I can't help but notice you continue ignoring the most important FACTS of voting for a KNOWN CRIMINAL & TRAITOR for president. And those are his better qualities.

You think he's going to make your life better? :rollingonthefloorlaughing:

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Are you saying that 74 million voters are making a mistake?

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Are you saying that 74 million voters are making a mistake?

It depends on what you want from government. If you want good, sober, competent government with a qualified cabinet then yes, they did make a mistake. In fact a tragic mistake. But if you simply want to beat your chest, howl like a chimpanzee, and own the libs without regard to consequences, then I guess there's no mistake.

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The good news is it’s over, the election is certified and at least 4 years of common sense governance is coming. All the whining, name calling and bigotry in here will fall on deaf ears. Real economic growth, world peace, lowering us debt and implementing project 2025 is coming. It’s going to be great.

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I suggest you print out a copy of this post, fold it four ways and put it into a time capsule; then open it again in four years and see, to your amazement, how wildly wrong you are.

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The good news is it’s over, the election is certified and at least 4 years of common sense governance is coming. All the whining, name calling and bigotry in here will fall on deaf ears. Real economic growth, world peace, lowering us debt and implementing project 2025 is coming. It’s going to be great.

Oh, honey, you are going to be so disappointed.

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Real economic growth, world peace, lowering us debt and implementing project 2025 is coming. It’s going to be great.

The first part sounds like a 1950s Miss American contestant. “What would you do as Miss America?”

But I’m confused about the Project 2025 aspect. Trump denied any knowledge of it or the people involved.

https://youtu.be/_jmXS87BmnU?si=ZX9XTKz60XM8eDoY

Trump claims not to know who is behind Project 2025. A CNN review found at least 140 people who worked for him are involved

WATCH: ‘I have nothing to do with Project 2025,’ Trump says

“I have nothing to do with Project 2025,” Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. “I haven’t read it. I don’t want to read it purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

If Trump knows nothing about it, refuses to read it, yet it will be implemented, I guess Trump must be a puppet of the Far-Right Deep State.

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Felon trumps name is in project 2025 over 300 times. He not only knows it verbatim but kept it by his nightstand with hand lotion and a towel.

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DEAD ON AND YOU ARE CORRECT.

Now lets make a wager and we will win BIG.

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Perhaps when you tell them that the economy is doing great while they're accruing credit card debt to purchase food for their families and gas for their cars, or going without altogether, maybe they don't believe you. They may not be highly educated but when the administration tells them over and over again that the border is secure while they can see with their now eyes millions of people walking across the border unabated they sense some thing is wrong. When they see vicious Venezuelan street gangs suddenly appear in 15 U.S. states and literally take over apartment complexes they find that troubling.

Thank you for making my point. Unfortunately you're filled with misinformation up to your furry little eyebrows.

In his usual reserved way Rob made some good points. I can only add a few more. To wit:
-No, Venezuelan street gangs have not taken over apartment complexes. What? Elected leaders and police just look the other way? Elected leaders don't get reelected and police don't get respect by being soft on crime. That conspiracy theory has been widely debunked, and no one in any position of authority has confirmed it. And it doesn't make any sense anyway.
-No, millions of illegals have not crossed the border 'unabated'. Thousands perhaps, but hardly unabated. If you believe that I urge you, in fact I dare you, to go down to Tijuana, throw away your ID, and try to stroll back across the undefended border 'unabated'. You will be shocked - shocked I says - to learn that crossing is difficult, dangerous and very expensive, with less than a 50-50 chance of success. Moreover, illegal crossings have been cut in half over the last six months. I'm sure you will want to give Joe Biden full credit for that.
-The economy isn't just OK, or even good. It's a booming economy, and all the economic indicators show that. (And yes, some will still struggle even in a booming economy.) To believe otherwise you'd have to believe that thousands of civil servants who are tasked with compiling these numbers every month, for unknown reasons are engaged in a vast airtight conspiracy to lie to the public. And not even one of them willing to take that sweet, sweet Fox money and blow the whistle on this treachery. Sheesh. Conspiracies like that do not exist and do not make any sense.

I trust you're better informed now. Find more reliable sources of information.

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Will you ever admit when you've been lied to or duped?

https://youtu.be/fCFtiqzFCLg?si=FU3qeYsrp2ZfzWy9

Just another sick cult apologist for the orange traitor.
I like presidents who do not ask the "Proud Boys" for help.

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses, not on the shortcomings of the candidate’s personal life. Calling the majority of Americans “idiots” is why you just got smoked nationwide in every branch of government and will probably be how you get 8 years of JD after this.

I used to visit this site to check in on local Zih happenings but the one side hateful political rhetoric is nuts. Who actually pays to advertise on this site?

Us "liberals" have been verbally assaulted since the Republican party has turned into a cult.[about 6 years of this sheet] There is this Dan Bongino person that holds a radio show in my area that is so vile, it is almost surreal. There are MANY more like him. Any cult member that is butthurt can go straight to H. B-)

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Whatever it takes to oppose the deplorable rapist thieving lying draft-dodging ignorant moron that will soon be “our “ leader. Leader. Hahaha.
So glad I wasted 4 years in the Army. Happier that I never had children.

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Whatever it takes to oppose the deplorable rapist thieving lying draft-dodging ignorant moron that will soon be “our “ leader. Leader. Hahaha.
So glad I wasted 4 years in the Army. Happier that I never had children.

Me Too.

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I’d call them Americans who have the right to vote for whoever they want in a democracy and probably select their candidate based on policy priorities that affect their family, community, and businesses, not on the shortcomings of the candidate’s personal life. Calling the majority of Americans “idiots” is why you just got smoked nationwide in every branch of government and will probably be how you get 8 years of JD after this.

I used to visit this site to check in on local Zih happenings but the one side hateful political rhetoric is nuts. Who actually pays

Those same folks are no doubt excited to realize their lifelong career dreams as "crop pickers", "hog butchers", "roofers in 100+ degree temperatures", "nursing home butt wipers", etc.

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As a practical matter, removing all the "illegals" who perform jobs that estadounidenses will not do, like harvest crops and work in the meat packing industry, will be felt immediately.

Folks in the USA had better learn to grow their own produce and butcher their own livestock.

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I read the American news from time to time and itbseems that there is this incorrect belief that DJT got some overwhelming mandate from the American people. That is simply untrue.

Trump achieved a plurality of the vote, but not a majority of the vote. At this point, he has received only 49.93% of the popular vote.

2024 National Popular Vote Tracker

Throughout the election polls Harris and Trump were neck-and-neck in popular support. Republicans got more of their voters to the polls than did Democrats, and they got those voters to the polls in the right places.

The US remains a divided nation, ripe for civil war.

The Next Civil War

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

As much as I respect and like you, you are terribly wrong. You voted for a CRIMINAL and a TRAITOR. That right there brings shame to the uniform you once wore.

And as a descendant of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" who arrived to this land with the intent to steal it from its rightful owners by whatever means possible, even though I have 3 presidents in my family tree (two of them Union), you couldn't enjoy the unsustainable lifestyle you do without the hard work and taxes of these people whom you are unfairly singling out for persecution by a CRIMINAL whose only intent is to avoid jail time for his own crimes.

I didn't lose anything. I enjoy double nationality. But you did. You just voted against the Constitution you once swore to uphold. The suffering that's to come to hard-working and suffering people WHO PAY TAXES WITHOUT REPRESENTATION (which if you actually are a patriot will mean something to you) who don't deserve it and who are being used as scapegoats by criminals and racists is on you. And you will feel shame in the coming years. And I will have no sympathy for you or anyone else who did this to the country my forefathers and other patriots who believed in "all men are created equal" sacrificed so much for. You have been used by evil selfish people. But I will still offer you my hand in friendship.

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

Maybe you can get a real job then rounding up "illegals" Sure your mom would be proud.

MAGA! Make America Gag Again.

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

Many of those "ILLEGALS" are skilled harvesters who provide the food on your table. They move with the harvest and are essential to the US food supply.

You can celebrate your "Normalcy" with a brand new career as "Field Crop Picker".

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

I'm genuinely curious about this. You haven't been shy about your service to the country - and that's fine. But I wonder about how you square your honorable service, and the oath you took, with support for a man who incited an attempted coup against his country and happily watched for hours as his minions tried to destroy the capitol. How do you square that?

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Everybody and the liberals keep being pissed off. From the Old Marine circa long ago. The USA voted and as I post often on other sites for KY BBall. WE WIN AND you lose. Get ready for Normalcy to arrive back in the land I defended for many many years. The New President and every country around the World, be prepared to take your ILLEGALS back because here they come. Siempere desde SJdR QRO.

I'm genuinely curious about this. You haven't been shy about your service to the country - and that's fine. But I wonder about how you square your honorable service, and the oath you took, with support for a man who incited an attempted coup against his country and happily watched for hours as his minions tried to destroy the capitol. How do you square that?

Like every MAGA coward he will not respond. There is no excuse/apology for a disgraced president who lied about a stole election and Killed Ashli Babbitt, wounding 174 police officers and the subsequence death of 8 other people with damages that topped 2.7 million dollars to the halls of congress.

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Trying to reason with a fool is a waste of time.

Like I always say, "be careful what you wish for".
Foolish people end up getting exactly what they wished for.
;-)

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