Drugs, Workers, and Capitalism

by Little Guy @, Friday, September 05, 2025, 16:47 (430 days ago)
edited by Little Guy, Friday, September 05, 2025, 16:54

The fallacy of US policies about drugs and undocumented workers is so obvious it hurts.

Part of the error of the Soviet economic system was that in some ways it was supply driven. “If we make it, people will buy it.” Of course, people didn’t buy things they didn’t want just because the things were on the shelves.

As capitalists, American governments ought to believe that the demand-driven economy is what really works. As long as there is a demand for something, someone will provide supply.

As long as Americans demand drugs someone will supply the drugs, it doesn’t matter how many civilian watercraft the US Department of War blows out of the water, killing civilians… the drugs will continue to flow.

And as long as employers in the US demand vulnerable, easy-to-exploit undocumented workers, there will be such workers flowing into the country.

We read of tens of thousands of workers being sent to hellish incarceration having been picked up at work or on their way to or from work.

How many employers do we see being dragged of with the workers?

Start throwing CEOs, CFOs, hiring officers, and managers into Alligator Alcatraz for a few months and demand for these workers will drop. With no demand there will be no supply.

Drugs, Workers, and Capitalism

by surfguy, Friday, September 05, 2025, 17:01 (430 days ago) @ Little Guy

The fallacy of US policies about drugs and undocumented workers is so obvious it hurts.

Part of the error of the Soviet economic system was that in some ways it was supply driven. “If we make it, people will buy it.” Of course, people didn’t buy things they didn’t want just because the things were on the shelves.

As capitalists, American governments ought to believe that the demand-driven economy is what really works. As long as there is a demand for something, someone will provide supply.

As long as Americans demand drugs someone will supply the drugs, it doesn’t matter how many civilian watercraft the US Department of War blows out of the water, killing civilians… the drugs will continue to flow.

And as long as employers in the US demand vulnerable, easy-to-exploit undocumented workers, there will be such workers flowing into the country.

We read of tens of thousands of workers being sent to hellish incarceration having been picked up at work or on their way to or from work.

How many employers do we see being dragged of with the workers?

Start throwing CEOs, CFOs, hiring officers, and managers into Alligator Alcatraz for a few months and demand for these workers will drop. With no demand there will be no supply.

Border encounters are down 93% in 2025 since the same time last year…guess it’s lack of demand and nothing to do with policy.

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by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Friday, September 05, 2025, 23:12 (430 days ago) @ surfguy

Border encounters are down 93% in 2025 since the same time last year…guess it’s lack of demand and nothing to do with policy.

Ask the farmers and construction firms how the lack of workers is going for them, MAGA.

The U.S. is on the verge of a recession. But not to worry. The Orange Mussolini will just blame Obama and Biden.

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by jay @, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 09:08 (429 days ago) @ surfguy

Border encounters are down 93% in 2025 since the same time last year

It wasn't blasted all over right-wing media so you probably don't know that Biden signed an executive order in early '24 that required refugees to apply for asylum on the Mexican side of the border, instead of on the US side which had been the policy for decades. That resulted in a 50% drop in border crossings by election day. As an honest and honorable man I'm sure you'll want to give Biden full credit for that. Open borders my ass.

I'll concede that border crossings may have dropped some more since then but 93% seems absurdly high. Please cite your official source.

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by saildawg @, Mississippi Gulf Coast, Golfo de Mexico - Norte, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 16:28 (428 days ago) @ jay

If I had to guess, that source would most likely be Pravda - West, better know as Fox News (Joseph Goebbels would be proud).

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by surfguy, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 18:53 (428 days ago) @ saildawg

If I had to guess, that source would most likely be Pravda - West, better know as Fox News (Joseph Goebbels would be proud).

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-may-2025-monthly-update#:~:text=Halting%20the%20flow%20of%20illegal,View%20more%20...

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 20:51 (428 days ago) @ surfguy

If I had to guess, that source would most likely be Pravda - West, better know as Fox News (Joseph Goebbels would be proud).


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-may-2025-monthly-update#:~:text=Halting%20the%20flow%20of%20illegal,View%20more%20...

:rollingonthefloorlaughing::rollingonthefloorlaughing::rollingonthefloorlaughing::rollingonthefloorlaughing:
They're even less reliable right now than Faux News. You really do live in an alternate reality if you believe anything from the current federal government's "press releases".

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by Sunlight Dancer @, Sunday, September 07, 2025, 21:38 (428 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The text on the CPB website sounds like it was written during a Dear Leader Cabinet meeting.


"Thanks to the good work of the men and women of CBP and the leadership of President Trump and Secretary Noem, CBP is leveraging authorities to take every step to ensure illegal aliens are expediently removed from the country."

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 09:32 (429 days ago) @ surfguy

The fallacy of US policies about drugs and undocumented workers is so obvious it hurts.

Part of the error of the Soviet economic system was that in some ways it was supply driven. “If we make it, people will buy it.” Of course, people didn’t buy things they didn’t want just because the things were on the shelves.

As capitalists, American governments ought to believe that the demand-driven economy is what really works. As long as there is a demand for something, someone will provide supply.

As long as Americans demand drugs someone will supply the drugs, it doesn’t matter how many civilian watercraft the US Department of War blows out of the water, killing civilians… the drugs will continue to flow.

And as long as employers in the US demand vulnerable, easy-to-exploit undocumented workers, there will be such workers flowing into the country.

We read of tens of thousands of workers being sent to hellish incarceration having been picked up at work or on their way to or from work.

How many employers do we see being dragged of with the workers?

Start throwing CEOs, CFOs, hiring officers, and managers into Alligator Alcatraz for a few months and demand for these workers will drop. With no demand there will be no supply.


Border encounters are down 93% in 2025 since the same time last year…guess it’s lack of demand and nothing to do with policy.

Another spurious stat that doesn't reflect reality. During his first term, the Pedophile-in-Chief blocked border crossings resulting in a pile-up on the Mexican side of people waiting for their appointments to be processed. You see, there are laws, however broken and out of date they may be, and apparently the Pedophile-in-Chief wants them to remain broken for his theatrics. Laws that migrants were following but that the Pedophile-in-Chief tried to ignore, and when Congress tried to fix them he forbade the spineless RePUKElicans from doing so. Enter Biden, and the laws once again are in play, and the backlog comes down. So the details of "down 93%" from what matter. Once again, RePUKElicans inherit a problem already fixed by Democrats, like the economy that is now going to crap. Amazing so many people keep voting against their own interests by supporting the Pedophile-in-Chief and his spineless RePUKElicans. What could their true motivation be?
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by Little Guy @, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 11:01 (429 days ago) @ surfguy
edited by Little Guy, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 11:17

A supply chain can be pinched, temporarily reducing supply. But if the demand remains, alternative supply routes will be established so that demand can receive supply.

Does anyone remember how Mexico came to have drug cartels? The US war on drugs decided to stop drugs coming into the US. It shut down the trans-Caribbean water routes. It was effective.

But Americans’ demand for drugs remained, so the supply route changed. The suppliers started using land routes through Mexico.

I suggest the same will happen with businesses’ demand for these workers. Alternative supply sources and/or routes will develop. We recently read that the largest US immigration raid in history involved not Hispanics at the Mexican border but Koreans.

The expense of ICE and related actions must be enormous and financially unsustainable. But putting the exploitive employers into jail for their roles would be cheap and would cut the demand side dramatically.

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by Yandosan, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 11:28 (429 days ago) @ Little Guy

"Does anyone remember how Mexico came to have drug cartels? The US war on drugs decided to stop drugs coming into the US. It shut down the trans-Caribbean water routes. It was effective."

But now Venezuela is the cartel mecca, Dear Leader says. And our tax dollars, the fledgling Department of War, blew a boat out of the water without any definitive evidence of drugs aboard. However, you would never have 11 mules crowded in a drug boat, say experts, since it would limit available space for drugs, and limit profits per person. And the boat was too small to make it to America. Ahh, the Monroe doctrine, when logic fails. This could get ugly.

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by Max, Saturday, September 06, 2025, 19:02 (429 days ago) @ Yandosan

Denial is the genesis.

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by D-Loco, Friday, September 05, 2025, 20:27 (430 days ago) @ Little Guy

Imagine if they actually did find a way to stop the flow of street drugs into the US. Do you think they would have a plan for mass withdrawal apocalypse other than just stacking up the bodies?