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Here goes. For years I've been bringing home "strong" coffee (whole bean) that I've purchased at the shop on the corner by Robs' home. A friend tells me that he purchased "very strong" coffee in Z and would like me to purchase some for him. Don't recollect ever seeing that, but, since I'm a guy and hate to shop, can someone please tell me where to locate the "very strong" whole bean coffee? Also, can someone tell me the difference between saltwater lures and freshwater? I suspect it may be the type of metal used in the hooks, and I'm trying not to mess up when I bring them down for a good friend. Any help would be appreciated. Big Daddy Wags

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I can help on the fishing stuff.......Yes there is a difference. Saltwater tackle is almost always stainless and lures have salt resistant finishes. Also most saltwater fish fight harder and are much heavier than their fresh water counter parts, so the tackle is made to bring in larger fish.

Dave

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Not quite true. We caught all our fish today on good ol Rapalas. Same size>same thing we use catching Walleys in the spring in northern WI.

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can someone please tell me where to locate the "very strong" whole bean coffee?

Well IMHE, "very strong" has as much to do The Roast, as it does with The Manner in which the molida is actually brewed / dripped.

ISR, we're 'die hard' KRUPPS folks!! :-D

And, as somewhat 'serious' coffee drinkers mundial, we have frequently found in Z that the 'little place' where the local pandilla hangs-out DAILY (on Benito Juarez 1/2 block south of the mercado on the east side) provides some fairly yummy strong FRENCH Roast..... for around 160 por kilo.

In VERY large part, it really IS all About The Roast, which in IOHE 90%+ of ALL Mexican-grown regional coffees actually are demonstrably "organic"..... So why pay more from The Other (Cons )?

[image] Granted, we've been 'spoiled' (and educated) for years with local mountain-grown 'Oaxacan'..... which perhaps 'motivates' this solid reco! B-)

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I would imagine that the difference between "strong" and "extra strong" coffee is in the eye, or more specifically in the tastebuds of the beholder/ drinker. Darker roasts would tend to taste stronger.
I think fishing lures are generally made to appeal to a specific type of fish. Ask your friend what he's trying to catch and then go to Cabela's fishing website and see what they have to offer.

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Here goes. For years I've been bringing home "strong" coffee (whole bean) that I've purchased at the shop on the corner by Robs' home. A friend tells me that he purchased "very strong" coffee in Z and would like me to purchase some for him. Don't recollect ever seeing that, but, since I'm a guy and hate to shop, can someone please tell me where to locate the "very strong" whole bean coffee? Also, can someone tell me the difference between saltwater lures and freshwater? I suspect it may be the type of metal used in the hooks, and I'm trying not to mess up when I bring them down for a good friend. Any help would be appreciated. Big Daddy Wags

The coffee at the "Café Caracol" coffee shop on the corner of our home is basically the same coffee as sold 1/2 block south of the mercado on Benito Juárez: they are both from the same region of Guerrero known as Atoyac, near Acapulco. I believe they sell a strong flavor they simply call oscuro, which of course means dark. There is another coffee store called "El Rincón Café" on the alleyway Hermenegildo Galeana (between Cuauhtémoc and Vicente Guerrero streets) just a little ways up and across the street from Piazza d'Angelo that also sells delicious organic coffee grown in the sierra of Zihuatanejo from a variety of the Robusta bean in contrast to the variety of Arábica cultivated in Atoyac. You could always take him a kilo of each kind.

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There is also a shop near the library "Cafe Zihuatanejo" that we have bought from in the past. I think it is on Calle Cuauhtémoc. We have found that their roast is more uniform and the beans are more intact. While the Cafe Caracol is tasty, there is a large variation in the degree of roast in each bag and a fair number of bean fragments. It is still very tasty, but we prefer the former a bit more.

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There is also a shop near the library "Cafe Zihuatanejo" that we have bought from in the past. I think it is on Calle Cuauhtémoc. We have found that their roast is more uniform and the beans are more intact. While the Cafe Caracol is tasty, there is a large variation in the degree of roast in each bag and a fair number of bean fragments. It is still very tasty, but we prefer the former a bit more.

That's the same coffee as I was recommending from "El Rincón Café". They get their coffee from Juanita, the owner of "Café Zihuatanejo".

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Guess I didn't read carefully enough. El Rincon is where we bought when we were there last month, as the "main store" was closed at night. The only difference is that the main store vacuum packs the coffee and El Rincon packages it in paper bags. When you're buying a years supply, the vacuum packed will hold up better. Last year we bought 10 kilos from each spot. It nearly lasted a year. Our preference is Cafe Zihautanejo, but both are tasty and remind us every morning of one of our favorite places.

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There is another coffee store called "El Rincón Café" on the alleyway Hermenegildo Galeana (between Cuauhtémoc and Vicente Guerrero streets) just a little ways up and across the street from Piazza d'Angelo that also sells delicious organic coffee grown in the sierra of Zihuatanejo from a variety of the Robusta bean in contrast to the variety of Arábica cultivated in Atoyac.

After much experimentation I love the coffee at El Rincon. Strong and much less bitter.

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THANKS!! went and bought some today....after having a cuppa....wonderful!!! :-D

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There is another coffee store called "El Rincón Café" on the alleyway Hermenegildo Galeana (between Cuauhtémoc and Vicente Guerrero streets) just a little ways up and across the street from Piazza d'Angelo that also sells delicious organic coffee grown in the sierra of Zihuatanejo from a variety of the Robusta bean in contrast to the variety of Arábica cultivated in Atoyac. You could always take him a kilo of each kind.

I brought home almost 30 lbs. of coffee last trip.
Does El Rincon Cafe also sell their coffee in vacuum sealed impermeable bags equivalent to Caracol?

Also it deserves mention that Caracol coffee has a booth in the Mercado, where you can buy their coffee, vanilla and disks of chocolate for making that abuelita drink.

I never freeze roasted coffee beans anymore. The freezing screws up the structure of the coffee oils and, in my experience, degrades the taste.
For roasted coffee that you won't be using within a week or 2, I recommend those vacuum sealed bags, stored at room temp.

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Does El Rincon Cafe also sell their coffee in vacuum sealed impermeable bags equivalent to Caracol?

Nope. Bring your own zip-lock bag if that's important to you.

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Does El Rincon Cafe also sell their coffee in vacuum sealed impermeable bags equivalent to Caracol?

Nope. Bring your own zip-lock bag if that's important to you.

Thanks Rob, as always, for answering our little questions about everything from Tacos Pastor to the coffee in Centro.... you're DA MAN!!!

One more little tidbit for the other coffee nuts...there are several other neighborhood outlets for that Caracol coffee, one notable for me because I often stay on or near Calle Adelita in Playa Madera...ITA'S Restaurant sells and will even grind coffee for you, and last year I bought over 20 lbs of coffee from her "en bolsas de plata," those silver coloured mylar plastic vacuum sealed bags at the going mercado rate of 70 pesos per 1/2 kilo bag. I effected the deal with 50% down, and picked them up a day or 2 later walking over just a few hundred metres from my digs @ the Casa Sun & Moon with a couple of handy shopping bags rather than humping a heavy load back the longer distance to town. It also left a little bit more business on Calle Adelita, which was particularly hard hit last year.

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Coupla things about the coffee:

IMO, the coffee in the shop by Lupita's place is fine. There is another shop selling coffee on the street parallel to the malecon, back a couple of blocks. They sell "regular" and "strong" coffee.

As AJ says, it's all about the roast and I haven't had a bad bag here.

FWIW, they charge a little more if the coffee is pre-bagged. If you buy a kilo and have it bagged it's about 20% less. Never could figure that one out.

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The coffee at the "Café Caracol" coffee shop on the corner of Vincente Guerrero X Alvarez is so good we take 10 kilos back with us each summer. There is NO match for the "FUERTE" (strong) sold at $120/kilo. We have been doing this for years and it's always the same quality. You shouldn't freeze it but rather pack it in canning jars soaked in hot water for 30 minutes and then set the lid....no water inside of course. When you open it 2-4 months later you hear the suction pop and the fresh small is just as it was when you bought it in Zihua.

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Interesting; I've always been told to freeze coffee in sealed containers.

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Interesting; I've always been told to freeze coffee in sealed containers.

Me TOO!

And interesting indeed..... for a long storage…… as a simple, and clever, home vacuum seal!!

Though, unless someone lives fairly remote in the outback, I thought that it was otherwise a ‘sin’ to store fresh coffee for more than 10-14 days, and especially if pre-ground at point-of-purchase? B-)

And while México overall definitely has a distinguished abundance of well-grown, properly roasted, fine coffee beans, I don’t understand why one would urge to haul home multiple KILOS. El Norte is certainly awash in a rather notable range of fine imported coffees availability, where weekly ‘shopping lists’ somewhat ensure absolute freshness……(?).

[image] I’ve also never fully understood the ‘real’ relationship between cool growing temperatures and ultimate coffee bean “quality”……. as Guerrero produces some fairly competitive High Quality regional crops, albeit in the highland Tierra Caliente ?

Oaxaca and Chiapas are admittedly another story….. And here is an all too familiar 'story'.

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As you would say "CHALE". I roast beans at home with a stove top popcorn popper on a gas camp stove. I have had coffees from 18 different countries and a Mexican coffee is as good as any. The roast is is a BIG factor in the final product. Never roast any more than can be used within 2 wks. & grind only as used.

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Bring: SALAS and YOYO jigs. Best colors are Blue and White together. And ALL SHINY metal jigs are good.

Come on out to Playa Blanca and catch a Rooster Fish in the surf. Net fishing, too! :jeer:

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Thanks all for the excellent advice on the coffee and lure selection. What confused me most about the lures is, although I have a saltwater catalog in both Bass Pro Shops and Cabelas, the selection isn't near what the freshwater selections amount to. I am specifically looking for "poppers" and small (31/2 to 4 and a half inches)Rapalas and the freshwater selection as far as color is huge. I have both a BPS and Cabelas within minites of my home and thought that by buying the freshwater there would be no problem, but the more I thought about it the more is doubted my decision. Thanks all for setting the record straight. I'll just go with the catalogs. And I'm writing myself notes about the coffee for February. Thanks all again.

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Hard to go wrong with "Pencil Popper" lures for Zihua saltwater captains. I've picked up several online for Cheva, and had Ed Kunze deliver them to him. The best (and most pricey) ones are made by Tsunami (see link below), but Cordell makes one for roughly half the price of the Tsunami ones. The white or bone colored ones (larger 8" size) seem to work best for Jurels & Roosters, but just about any color will work.

Cabelas Pencil Popper Lures

GK

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