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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 08:39 (4405 days ago)

It's over a decade too late, but FINALLY the municipal government appears to be doing THE RIGHT THING. According to today's news, warning signs alerting people of the sanitation risk of swimming at Playa Principal and suggesting they enjoy any one of our other beaches will be placed at the main entrances to the beach. The signs are supposed to be placed today.

Hopefully NOW concrete actions will be taken to FIX the problem.

My wife, Lupita, and I wholeheartedly applaud this decision and this action by our municipal government!

Ordena alcalde EFB cierre de playa Principal para proteger al turismo

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by midalake @, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 09:05 (4405 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

But wait there is no pollution in the bay.......Who in their right mind would want to stay in Ixtapa.........;-):stirpot:

Dave

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by katherine @, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 10:20 (4405 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

So sad it has come to this. But, as you say, hopefully something will finally be done to fix the problem.

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by CalBear, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 10:51 (4405 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wonder if this article had anything to do with the closing:

Shawshank Redemption beach a health risk

Also reference made to a La Reforma article

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 11:19 (4405 days ago) @ CalBear

There have been numerous articles over the years that never budged the stubborn local authorities to ever do "the right thing" before, so I doubt an article in English made any difference. I suspect it was more like an order from the federal government, likely using the old carrot and the stick approach: "Do this and look like you actually care or we'll do it for you and burn you in the process."

What SHOULD have mattered most since testing began is the health and safety of our residents and visitors, but unfortunately since the very first bacteriological test when Amador Campos was mayor around 12 years ago, the Playa Principal has failed all the safety tests. Each and every one! The first time it failed the test the then mayor Amador Campos personally removed the warning signs placed on Playa Principal by the federal government (he is currently one of our Diputados Federales in Mexico's Congreso - AMAZING). He did so with several other members of the then municipal government, claiming it was a conspiracy to tarnish his image. What an ego!

SEMARNAT: Playas Limpias > Zihuatanejo, Guerrero

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by The Fez ⌂ @, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 11:38 (4405 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The canal that drains into the bay is an obvious problem. Putting a bed of gravel along the bottom for the last 400 metres or so would go a long way to help filter the bacteria - and a very cheap remedy. Are the sailboats out in the bay permitted to dump their waste into the ocean?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 12:54 (4405 days ago) @ The Fez

The canal that drains into the bay is an obvious problem. Putting a bed of gravel along the bottom for the last 400 metres or so would go a long way to help filter the bacteria - and a very cheap remedy. Are the sailboats out in the bay permitted to dump their waste into the ocean?

The ten thousand or so hillside squatters are also a major problem, but the "responsible authorities" keep allowing them to remain because they represent VOTES. They give new meaning to the old saying "when it rains, it pours." The sludge that washes down the hillsides from their open-air bathrooms is literally sickening.

The canal is apparently receiving discharges from clandestine sewage hookups to the pluvial drainage system as well as from the obsolete wastewater treatment plants by the Unidad Deportiva. Millions have been budgeted by the federal and state governments to fix the treatment plants, but though the money disappears no noticeable changes can be seen in the operation of any of our sewage plants beyond perhaps a coat of paint. It is criminal and some public servants SHOULD be prosecuted for it.

The Capitanía del Puerto is supposed to assure that the boats in the bay abide by the rules and do not discharge into the bay, and many boat operators have claimed they sail well outside the bay to discharge their tanks, pero no me consta.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 11:05 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

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Well, lots of folks are pissed off that the government finally did the right thing by warning swimmers. It never ceases to amaze me how selfish some folks are that they would put their own economic interests ahead of the health of thousands of our visitors. Morally criminal, if you ask me.

Now the bigger question is of course what the government's next move will be. Hundreds of millions of pesos that should have been spent on modernizing our wastewater treatment plants over the past decade and a half obviously were not spent correctly, and the federal government should not throw good money after bad. In my humble opinion, the persons who received those funds and who apparently misspent them should be held accountable and made to cough up the hundreds of millions it will cost to build new wastewater treatment plants.

But that is highly unlikely and I don't expect anything to happen to them beyond some unfavorable adjectives used to describe them. Accountability is not a strong point in any sphere of Mexican government unless it's to save the ass of a more influential person than the one who is fed to the wolves, and that happens only when it is unavoidable and a head absolutely has to roll.

Playa Principal is the ONLY beach in the country reported as a health risk. The entire coastline from Isla Ixtapa to Zihuatanejo Bay reports the highest levels of pollution in the entire country according to the latest report from Cofepris (Comisión Federal para la Protección contra Riesgos Sanitarios). Not unexpected in my view since the 8,000 homes of Casas Geo (La Puerta de Ixtapa, Morrocoy, Flamingo, etcetera) have no wastewater treatment plant, and neither does Barrio Viejo (aka San José Ixtapa) or Barrio Nuevo or Pantla or any other community. All their wastewater goes into the rivers of Ixtapa and Pantla respectively.

This should be a huge wake-up call for our local government. They need to stop wasting money on frivolous and dubious projects such as the Parque Lineal and the remodeling of Plaza Kioto and the sidewalk roofs and the paving of streets in squatter communities and remove the squatters from the hillsides above the Cota 70 (70-meter mark) and stop allowing wastewater to reach our bay and our coastline before they are entirely polluted.

If anyone would like to see the report just click the following link to download the PDF document from the Cofepris website.

Cofepris > Playas Limpias (PDF document)

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by jaui @, Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 11:29 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

EXCERPT:
......."They need to stop wasting money on frivolous and dubious projects such as the Parque Lineal and the remodeling of Plaza Kioto and the sidewalk roofs and the paving of streets in squatter communities"......

@ZR
My question 4 U is:
Do you know IF the money spent on the Parque Lineal, could of been used for other projects and more urgent needs here, that should have high priority, as you have mentioned, or, were those funds only utilizable for the Parque Lineal???
Maybe the saying applies: Were they robbing Pedro para pagar Pablo?

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jaui

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 11:40 (4404 days ago) @ jaui

EXCERPT:
......."They need to stop wasting money on frivolous and dubious projects such as the Parque Lineal and the remodeling of Plaza Kioto and the sidewalk roofs and the paving of streets in squatter communities"......

@ZR
My question 4 U is:
Do you know IF the money spent on the Parque Lineal, could of been used for other projects and more urgent needs here, that should have high priority, as you have mentioned, or, were those funds only utilizable for the Parque Lineal???
Maybe the saying applies: Were they robbing Pedro para pagar Pablo?

In my observations over the decades the government has always been able to spend money on what it wants regardless of legal niceties, but technically the money for the Parque Lineal was actually ticketed for the creation of a park in Las Salinas, which would have included measures to prevent wastewater from entering the lagoon. Alejandro Guido who works for the state government's tax collection office solicited the money from the federal government, and I suspect he knew full and well that there were title problems with some of the properties surrounding Las Salinas. Those title problems were used as the excuse to change the destination of the money from one "park" to another, since supposedly it had to be spent on a park. I suspect that was the plan all along by Alejandro Guido and the major beneficiary of that money, Jorge Sánchez, who resigned his post in the municipal government (after his company got the contract for the building materials for the Parque Lineal, of course, and named his brother as his successor) and who is now a mayoral pre-candidate for the PRI. Alejandro is also a pre-candidate albeit for the PRD though I suspect he's just looking for what we call a hueso (a political appointment).

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by IxtapaMayor @, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 14:49 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Wouldn, t la madera be polluted also??

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Friday, April 11, 2014, 22:56 (4401 days ago) @ IxtapaMayor

Something I think people ought to know, since few of us would believe the pollution is not spread about.
I have to admit, I became increasingly concerned about the water in Z bay on our recent visit. So much so, that if steps are not taken to deal with this health issue, we may look else where in future.
This is not something I take lightly, so please don't dump on me. I first visited about 25 years ago and fell in love with this place, and the beautiful bay. I don't wanna be sitting under a palapa some day watching garbage wash in and out on a brown foamy wave. It's too heart breaking to think about. I've been checking the Pacific coast out. There are no other little bays like Zihua!!! I don't want to watch an extinction!
I wonder if a petition from a couple hundred thousand tourists would help spur someone to action?

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by Mexalberta @, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 09:27 (4401 days ago) @ islandgirl

Raw sewage is a worldwide problem. The pristine waters of Vancouver Island are not pristine near Victoria.
http://schoolworkhelper.net/sewage-dumping-in-victoria-british-columbia-venice-italy/

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 10:05 (4401 days ago) @ Mexalberta

I'm very aware of the sewage problem in Victoria. It's shameful, really. I don't go swimming there, either.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 10:12 (4401 days ago) @ islandgirl

Something I think people ought to know, since few of us would believe the pollution is not spread about.
I have to admit, I became increasingly concerned about the water in Z bay on our recent visit. So much so, that if steps are not taken to deal with this health issue, we may look else where in future.
This is not something I take lightly, so please don't dump on me. I first visited about 25 years ago and fell in love with this place, and the beautiful bay. I don't wanna be sitting under a palapa some day watching garbage wash in and out on a brown foamy wave. It's too heart breaking to think about. I've been checking the Pacific coast out. There are no other little bays like Zihua!!! I don't want to watch an extinction!
I wonder if a petition from a couple hundred thousand tourists would help spur someone to action?

Who needs a petition when we have this wonderful resource I call my Message Board? Here any interested "responsible authority" can read your comments on the subject if they are interested. I will continue bringing the matter to their attention as I have for over 20 years since my first public meeting with a local mayor long before I became a nationalized citizen.

So post away and keep letting them know your thoughts on the subject!

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by islandgirl @, Cowichan Valley, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 11:04 (4401 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have been encouraging others to join us in Z, but I don't think we can do that anymore, if the beaches are the most polluted in all of Mexico.
Also, on our second last day in this year, we ran into a family from our town. Our boys go to the same school, same grade! It was their first time to Zihua, having explored most of the other Mexican vacation spots. They thought Zihua was the most awesome place and liked it better than any other spot they had been. They said they would come back, but finding out about the water quality will likely change their minds.
What happens to Z if no tourists come back?

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by Bonnie @, wherever you go, there you are..., Saturday, April 12, 2014, 12:37 (4401 days ago) @ islandgirl

We have decided to investigate other destinations on the Pacific Coast of Mexico, mainly due to a series of disappointments/concerns during our 8th trip to Zih in early March. The bay pollution was very near the top of the list. We may have noted these details due to the 2-year hiatus since our last trip, but regardless, they have given us cause to look elsewhere. We are heartbroken & it's been a difficult decision to make, as we have been in love with Zih, the people & the peace we found there from the very beginning, but there were noticeable differences this time which we just can't ignore. :-(

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 10:07 (4401 days ago) @ IxtapaMayor

Wouldn, t la madera be polluted also??

I gather you didn't look at the report from the water testing showing the water at La Madera to be well under the permissable limit and only slighly higher than Playa Las Gatas. The ocean currents help keep the bay clean and La Madera receives the strongest wave action in all of the bay, but the jetty in front of Puerto Mío blocks the current that used to help keep Playa Principal clean, so it compounds the problem by creating a stagnant area of the bay.

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by LadyM in Zihua, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 15:48 (4401 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

The jetty should have never been built and should definitely be removed if we want Zihuatanejo to return to the days of past with clean water. Between the jetty not allowing the cleaning naturally of the bay and the inability of the govenrment of Zihuatanejo to fix the dirty water plants it is a sad mess. Yes, it is sad for tourists who come here and love our bay and town, but it is sadder still for the people of Zihua who pay their taxes and watch year after year their money disappear with the same old problems that keep confronting them and their children. The past administrations are not without fault, but who can make them change?

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by katherine @, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 17:26 (4401 days ago) @ LadyM in Zihua

:megusta:
De acuerdo.

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by ZihuaRx @, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 22:06 (4400 days ago) @ LadyM in Zihua

How true. Something does need to be done. We will keep coming here because of the people (and what the hell, I'm going to die from something), but I am sad to say we really don't promote it as much any more because of the water quality. I remember when my kids were young and there buddy Paco would grab starfish out of the bay while they body surfed on La Ropa....no more of that as the star fish are all gone...maybe like a canary in a coal mine. I hate saying this because my heart and soul is here and always will be. This is such a special place and the people here don't deserve this. I think I will always keep coming here....sorry.

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by LadyM in Zihua, Sunday, April 13, 2014, 09:51 (4400 days ago) @ ZihuaRx

I think the starfish moved to Las Gatas. A couple of weeks ago I asked a couple to please return the starfish to the water. They had brought it up on the beach and put it into a bucket. I don't know what their plan for him was.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 15:31 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

You are so right, Rob, most politicians spend the vast majority of their major resources (time and energy) ensuring they get elected at the next election. The photo ops are a disgrace and spending the taxpayer's money to make themselves look good is widespread by all political parties in all countries.

OK so what to do? The honest and forward looking non-squatters need to organize and use all tools at their disposal (demonstrations and other public outlets to say, "No votes for this guy". It will get their attention. Action works, words don't!

Oh, so simplistic I am!

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by canucktracy, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 14:29 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

thanks for the update--when we were there in March my dad had a skin rash all over his feet and parts of his legs. He said he thought it was from something in the ocean (jellies) but wasn't sure. We actually used the hotel pool a few times for the first year ever. Perhaps this was the reason why. He rubbed some fresh lime over it for a few days and it seemed to help. Lets hope the government realizes that this does affect the tourism industry and does something about this.
thanks

A reminder to all--

by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 16:26 (4404 days ago) @ canucktracy

do not put bare feet or bury bare feet in the beach sands. There is a critter, commonly called 'sand fleas' that just love gringoes! The rash you describe could be the sand fleas. Or any number of other maladies-

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 18:17 (4404 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

do not put bare feet or bury bare feet in the beach sands. There is a critter, commonly called 'sand fleas' that just love gringoes! The rash you describe could be the sand fleas. Or any number of other maladies-

I'm afraid you've got your vocabulary completely confused. You've confused "sand fleas" with "sandflies", because the only thing that is sometimes called a "sand flea" that we have here in the sand are the small crustaceans we call a chiquilique, but they don't bite.
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What is also known as a "sand flea" in English does not bite nor does it survive long out of water.
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What DOES bite that lives in the sand are what we call jejenes and what you call in English noseeums or midges or sandflies, and they tear me up worse than mosquitos, though some people they don't seem to bother at all. They usually are out early in the morning at dawn and late in the afternoon, around 4PM or so. AUTAN is what we use locally to keep them off of us and it can be bought at almost any tienda or farmacia.
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jejenes

by HolyMole, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 18:41 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

do not put bare feet or bury bare feet in the beach sands. There is a critter, commonly called 'sand fleas' that just love gringoes! The rash you describe could be the sand fleas. Or any number of other maladies-


I'm afraid you've got your vocabulary completely confused. You've confused "sand fleas" with "sandflies", because the only thing that could be called a "sand flea" here are the small crustaceans we call a chiquilique, but they don't bite.
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What is known as a "sand flea" does not bite either nor does it survive long out of water.
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What DOES bite that lives in the sand are what we call jejenes and what you call in English noseeums or midges, and they tear me up worse than mosquitos, though some people they don't seem to bother at all. They usually are out early in the morning at dawn and late in the afternoon, around 4PM or so. AUTAN is what we use locally to keep them off of us and it can be bought at almost any tienda or farmacia.
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Autan has been hard to find, at least at La Comer and Bodega Aurrera. I used H24 in a spray can (43 pesos at La Comer) and it works fine.
The jejenes take cover in high winds, one of the pluses at Playa Larga....which is jejenes-Heaven on those unusual windless days there.

jejenes

by The Fez ⌂ @, Wednesday, April 09, 2014, 19:48 (4404 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

We have sand fleas up here on the BC coast and they are harmless little amphipods.

jejenes

by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Thursday, April 10, 2014, 15:49 (4403 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Very well acquainted with jejenes (and d***d mosquitos); they love me but don't bother my wife---must be her many meds.

Jejenes, in the a.m. and p.m. just as you describe SWARM on me like an attack on Pearl Harbor, expecially my back.

Go my first introduction to sand fleas at the enramadas in La Barra in 1999. feet and akles turned to raw meat. Asked the locals what they were and they called them "pulgas" or 'plugas'. Best I could understand that twisting bare feet into the sand stirrede sand that was impregnated with food particles dropped/swept from the tables and the sand fleas congregated on the sand to feed.

Anyay did some googling and there must be at least a dozen names for jejenes, sand flies, sand fleas, beach hoppers, no seeums, etc.

jejenes

by Elle @, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 11:37 (4401 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I was almost eaten alive by those things one day in Barra last year but they never seem to be a problem for me on La Ropa. Wonder why?

jejenes

by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Saturday, April 12, 2014, 12:15 (4401 days ago) @ Elle

My best guess is the lagoon and associated swamplands around La Barra. Lot's of flying critters, the worst being jejenes and mosquitos usually in the a.m. and p.m. but thruout the day in some places especially where the grass is watered (makes great breeding grounds).